Yes thank you that's what I've been saying to all the people who are in love with Cain he's so fucking shady. He literally came up to Jooin and just called him master?!? Like Sir no
1) The reason even Yahwi was "considerate" is because he had an agreement with Jooin that he would help him to keep "annoying" people away from his space. Jooin falls in love with Yahwi during this process and yes, he accepts Jooin's invitations but this does nothing but confuse him because they still were nothing . Yahwi, in no confrontation on the subject, does he imply that his "consideration" will go beyond being sex partners.
2) Don't even joke that now it turns out it wasn't rape. At no time did Yahwi worry that Jooin was drunk or if he got hurt, in fact, Yahwi told him to endure it. Jooin said it hurt and even felt like vomiting. Consensual act in his dreams? Stfu. Being drunk means he wasn't able to consent + the fact that he did not remember what happened the next day only affirms even more that it was rape. Let's make it better, Yahwi blames him for not remembering when Jooin confronted him that he had slept with him drunk. If he continues to have relationships with Yahwi with love expectations it's not because it was not rape, it's because they made Jooin's character incredibly stupid.
3) If he loves Jooin, he would even consider starting something serious between them even if it's not public but he does not even want to leave the role of sexual partners.
4) Cain obviously does not have normal attitudes and if he has manipulated situations to get closer to Jooin. Clearly, there is something that is not right and the moment when history decides to turn him into a psychopath with the sole purpose of magnifying Yahwi then I will stop defending Cain. But so far, he hasn't done something as disgustingly possessive and jealous as forcing Jooin to have sex after seeing him going out with another guy. Bye.
not you defending a rapist couldn't be me
I know right!!! They were strangers and he literally just pushed himself into Jooin's life and suddenly called him master like wtf
1. Okay if that's his reason then Jooin is fully aware of that yet he continues to follow him. But I don't believe that that's his sole reason. He said so himself that he is uncomfortable with people having a crush on him. Jooin has confessed a lot of times already so that basically contradicts his purpose of keeping "those people" away from him when he should be one of them.
2. I'm not defending rape. I'm just considering Jooin's feelings because he has hidden desires and fantasizes Yahwi. And after everything that happened, he still admitted to him that he likes doing it with him. He said that not just once. Why are people more mad than he is when he is the person involved? I also think that Jooin has some kind of kink based on his dreams in chapter 4. The two of them have SM vibe.
3. He loves him but he just hasn't fully realized it yet. But I do agree with you that he needs to start something serious between the two of them but I don't think it will happen anytime soon.
4. Is telling Jooin he has been scammed and has nowhere else to live just so he can live with him not manipulation? Hiding his real character? Literally pushing himself into Jooin's life?
No matter how bad you describe Yahwi, Jooin is still into him.
In the end, I want all 3 of them to have good character development but we cannot rush them so it will take time.
I'm just considering Jooin's feelings because he fantasizes and desires Yahwi. After everything that happened, even if you call it rape, Jooin still admitted to Yahwi that he likes doing it with him. Why are people more mad than he is when he is the person involved?
1. He still gets annoyed every time Jooin tries to have this type of conversation lol. Yahwi doesn't like when Jooin gets serious about what they have, he is still an asshole in that matter and Jooin is stupid for enduring his attitude out of expectation but, I think this point is kinda irrelevant tbh
2. I'm not coming for your standards on rape, it would be dumb for me to do so based on a fictional story. I was referring to your takes on Yahwi regarding this matter since "We're not even sure if their first sex is rape". You kinda implied that what Yawhi did was not rape, so I assume you were justifying his abuse. If you are not, then I don't understand how anything that you said has to do with Jooin's hidden desires and fantasies nor how it changes something?
When Jooin realized that Yahwi took advantage of him being drunk, he was on the verge of tears as they spoke about it. Jooin felt fooled and played by Yahwi, meaning that regardless of who knows how many SM fantasies does Jooin has with him, he didn't consent to what Yahwi did. Why should I be madder with Jooin for having dub-con fantasies than the one who has sexually abused him twice? As I said before, the authors made Jooin's character incredibly stupid and he accepted Yahwi back... Because?
3. Okay... I'm not sure about any love coming for Yahwi's part but okay. We agreed on something.
4. What- Did I said it wasn't manipulation? Nope. I said he HAS manipulated Jooin to get closer to him. Cain lied about being scammed in order to live a period of time with him, true. He also probably knows how to speak korean as well but for some reason, he still put this facade in front of Jooin. Regardless, Cain hasn't harmed him at all nor he has taken advantage of Jooin's kindness in any way that could hurt him. Cain, literally, has done nothing to Jooin. And I'm not purposely describing Yahwi harshly because I don't like him, I'm actually telling what he did in the story. The hell it has to do that Jooin is into Yahwi? It won't affect anything, Jooin liking him doesn't make Yahwi less trashy. I just accept things as they are because I'm not the author but still, Yahwi doesn't deserve Jooin ¯_(ツ)_/¯
Thanks for your comment. I respect your perspective and I understood your point. :)
Imma give you a hint bestie, maybe because Yahwi is a rapist? I can't tell whether you're stupid or just lying to yourself but anyways stop doing that
I'm sorry for being rude, but defending rape is wrong and I hope you understand that.
I said that I don't understand why people hate Yahwi when the victim himself doesn't hate him okay but if you read the previous replies I already said that I understood it now with Sadistae's explanation.
I was just trying to see things in Jooin's pov that he may be a maso since he kept coming back to Yahwi even after everything plus those naughty dreams with Yahwi holding bdsm whip and stuffs and when Yahwi asked him if he likes it he said he wasn't sure but also told him to do something so maybe he likes it but I get it now that regardless if he likes it or not, it doesn't change the fact that there was no consent. So you see there is no need to be rude, we can talk nicely.
Yeah, thanks :)
I don't understand why you hate Yahwi. Since the beginning, it was Jooin who has been following and has desires toward Yahwi. Yahwi was even considerate to accept all his invitations to hang out with him that he doesn't usually do to other people---that's why Jooin's friend thinks that Yahwi also has feelings for him. We're not even sure if their first sex is rape because when Yahwi asked him if he likes it or not, Jooin said that he doesn't know so the more appropriate term is dub-con. If you call it rape since Jooin was drunk and he thought that he was dreaming, he was consensual in the act in his dreams (he even touched and admired Yahwi's body, telling him that he feels hot and that he should do something), and even after he found out the truth, it was okay with him and he still wants to sleep with him so what's your problem? The main character himself said that he loves him. And Yahwi may be problematic right now but he definitely loves him too. And you cannot change him overnight because that's very unnatural and when that happens, the story ends.
Cain is the one being manipulative and obsessive. He has been lying since the beginning and even tricked Jooin just so he can stay at his house. If that ain't creepy i don't know what is.