i agree but i think it's kinda hard for him to have character growth in that kind of environment. it's like new day new trauma for him.
I totally agree
That’s my point. This story is just a march of traumas for Nakyum, but he learns nothing from each experience. There’s no growth, he doesn’t adapt, there’s not even a reflection on what he’s been through. There’s nothing to say that’s he’s overcome, and grown as a person. Even if there were new traumas (which is to my point about how this manga is so repetitive with the same trauma except tweaked a little), Nakyum should still be able to use what he learned from his experience and adapt.
The most valuable trait of all animals is to adapt, because otherwise they would die. And Nakyum ain’t adapting.
it’s hard to mentally grow when you’re getting raped and kidnapped
I totally agree
He’s forever going to be raped and kidnapped if he doesn’t change his situation. Again, my point: Nakyum is acted upon by various characters, and he doesn’t actually do anything to change his situation or even reflect and think on his situation. He doesn’t even actively need to do anything for the bare minimum of character growth, he just needs to think about what’s happening to him or even why it’s happening to him. There’s no difference when one trauma happens to him or another, he reacts the exact same way, which is to just take it.
There’s no growth in character, minimal and repetitive plot, and quite frankly, it’s getting boring.
I don’t think you understand that beyond Nakyum as a character, he’s a character in a book we’re reading. And we as readers are fucking bored of the same shit. Does this happen in real life, where people are stuck in horrible positions and don’t grow for years, if ever? Obviously. But this is a story, and it needs to be moving. Otherwise, and rightfully so, people will be upset and frustrated and BORED.
I couldn't agree more. Nakyum has everything to be the dominant uke of the story. But we have to take into account that he had a fighting spirit. His fighting spirit was broken by In-hun calling him a prostitute.
Even if we as readers or Seungho always knew who he was, Inhun was a role model for Nakyum, he loved him and aspired to cheer him whenever he could. Before that he was fighting against Seungho, standing for himself, hated Seungho's behaviour even when he was afraid. The first time his mind was broken was because of Inhun. The second time was because of masked No name. I don't count Seungho and his lord bitches because he is just a means to an end for Nakyum.
I will give him some time to regain his senses. The author has to make it happen otherwise I will have to go with what you're saying.
I’d agree with you, but I’m still supremely frustrated how Nakyum is continually bending over and being a doormat.
Per my most recent comment, this is a story we are consuming for entertaining. Do people in real life stay for years in maladaptive environments and never grow? Obviously yes. But this is a STORY. Is Nakyum not a real life person but something we are consuming for entertainment? YES. So we expect character growth, and we expect plot progression, we we expect that both will come in a timely manner, or readers will be rightfully frustrated and angry and bored. Is this author accomplishing the goals of growth and plot? From all the comments, I’d say that’s an emphatic no.
So you want nk to grow but what about his rapist? Like this sounds really like victim blaming and it's disgusting. You expect the person being abused to grow? And do what? Survive where? He has nothing. Nobody. Sk is abusing his power to rape him and nobody cares. Make him grow to nut be a rapist. I don't understand y'all and y'all always protecting these trash ass rapists
Why there is always the need for someone to bring the term "victim blaming" when we are discussing about a character flaw??? I'm facepalming so much I could gouge out my eyes right now.... Do you see someone "victim blaming" anyone here? It's always mind-boggling to read a short-sighted reaction like the one you're making right now...
Omg. You really do like to make a mountain outta a molehill don’t you? Quit assuming, because that makes an ass outta you. I’m not fucking defending rape and rapists, and I can’t believe I have to state this, but I goddamn do not support rape. As a fucking woman living in this world who fears even going outside when it’s dark, who has to carry pepper spray everywhere, you don’t need to fucking impress upon me that rape is bad. I fucking know it, because I fucking live in that reality.
I’m not saying that Seungho is blameless. I even explicitly mention that he inflicts trauma on Nakyum constantly, and he’s a large part of why Nakyum is in a shitty situation. Does he desperately need character growth, if not complete abandonment of his character? Obviously. No one’s goddamn saying that he’s perfect. If you even analyzed my argument, the core is that I am pissed about how this story is going. No one’s doing anything except fucking, there’s barely any plot, and there’s barely/no character growth.
And honestly, you should get off this site and stay off it if you’re gonna get this goddamn defensive about rape. This site holds many unpleasant surprises for you
Preach sis
I've read your recent comment and I agree. We only differ in the timing of the events. I would have been more entertained if the abduction lasted a bit longer instead of being used as a cheap plot device to hinder the characters growth. But given the recent chapters that are a bit predictable, I will shut my reasoning for my entertainment now. It was good to know your point of view about the story.
I find those kind of discussion enjoyable. If it wasn't for the one up there in a competition for the next miss "victim blaming", that would have been really peaceful.
Yeah, I really enjoyed our discussion too! It made me realize that my frustration with the chapter wasn’t because of Nakyum per say, but with the direction and pace the story is going. And honestly, these rape comments pop up on almost every yaoi. I even have a canned response I give them. They just don’t bring anything to the conversation on that specific manga, besides ‘rape is wrong’ which I think we can all agree with.
I agree with you wholeheartedly. After all the shit he goes through, Nakyum doesn't lash out. The plot doesn't move. After Jung inhun was out of the scene, the plot really started to become slow and now completely stagnant. Was this sex/rape scene necessary at this point of story? If you assume someone is rejecting your romantic advances, do you have sex them and cling to them more? A normal person will try to distance himself if ever rejected this badly. Only a psycho will do the clingy/ rapey shit. Author is turning Seungho into a psycho. I understand that he had a troubled life but he still is the main lead. He reacting in this petty manner doesn't make him any different than a street thug. Why Nakyum would choose him over anyone else? What quality Seungho has that is so special?!
I feel bad for Nakyum but he needs some goddamn character growth. He’s forever the weak and naive beauty, and he’s learned nothing from the multiple traumas he’s faced. He’s static as a character and been static for 63 long chapters, and this is finally an opportunity for the author to actually let him speak and be heard. Yet he’s again relegated to being a victim and letting himself be acted upon instead of taking control of his story.
At this point, you can replace Nakyum with a doll and they’d serve the same purpose - just a sex toy. The point of using a human character is that they grow and learn from their situations and mistakes. Nakyum is doing neither of these things.
I’m frustrated at the plot and at the character development, and how the plot seems to be repeating over and over again with minimal plot and maximal sex. This is getting boring. To those who are defending Nakyum, whatever, but people are frustrated that this story is dragging on and on with no end or development in sight. We deserve to voice that this is bullshit.