yes.
All of the above.
Agree with you 100%. The characters not in no way perfect, but that was how the author intended them to be. That being said, my suggestion is to stay away from Mangago as it's just riddled with ungrateful whiners (not generalizing, but I'm saying there's plenty) who are used to reading shallow webtoons that update 5 panels every week and now think they somehow have the right to demand updates when they don't pay for shit. Go to Tumblr or if you wanna see decent comments from fans who truly appreciate this work for what it is.
Or Discord. Anywhere but here really
Haha, I agree and I know. I've been in the saezuru fandom since 2011 and it used to be rather big and active on Tumblr but I feel like it's been pretty much dead since a few years. I'm finding it more and more difficult to find a place to read good saezuru discourse like I used to. I don't know if the other original fans lost interest or just moved on from Tumblr. To be fair, this manga has been going on for a decade but I'm still here lurking and sometimes I just can't stand reading stupid comments on a BL of this caliber so I go off like this.
I'm not a fan of discord, it goes too fast for me.
i guess most people moved on from tumblr, sadly. They are now either on Twitter or on Discord or don't bother with fandoms anymore. I feel like fandoms are a dying bunch all together. Or at least in the shape and form me know them.
Ikr. most fans abandoned Tumblr when that stupid censorship was placed 2 or 3 years back. Cost Tumblr millions and did not really prevent porn bots from popping up anyway, but hey, at least their conscience is clean! Haha. Anyway, most of the discussions happen in Discord nowadays but I'm really not a fan of that platform as well as like you said, it's too fast (and I'm too old to keep up hahaha). But if you follow or message the right users, I'm sure they'll be more than welcome to discuss Saezuru with you! Folks there are generally nice :)
I know and that is so sad. They're also way more intense but short-lived so it's hard to keep the pace.
Thanks. Maybe I'll give it a try sometime. Tbh I don't really like to write, I mainly read stuff. I've been kicked of the Steve discord though so there's that. So unless there's another discord I probably won't join. Thanks for the recommendation though, it's appreciated.
And also fuck Tumblr for ruining fandoms for everyone.
Yashiro is such a complex and fascinating character. It's a shame people can't appreciate how well he's written.
Thank you.
Totally agree with u ,this has become this much of interesting because of the way that it is
*audience goes crazy* Yes, just yes. This is it right here.
Amen
I can't believe people are still finding this comment
Certified evergreen banger comment✧
Sorry to sound like a bitch but I miss the intelligent old posters who:
1- didn't complain all the time because they're too lazy to remember the story (bitch please, that's on you and your memory, not the author's fault)
2- didn't complain because the story is heavy on the plot and lighter on the sex. This is a masterpiece in the making so the author is taking her sweet time with developing the actual relationship, as she should. If all you care about is sex, please go read the other thousands of BL's on this website that have the male leads fuck after the first eye contact.
Above all, I'm tired of people hating on Yashiro. Yes he's crude, he has a sadistic streak and yes, he has hurt Doumeki. He's not above criticism. However, friendly reminder that time and time again, he has asked Doumeki to LEAVE the yakuzas and Doumeki REFUSED. He did it nicely in the beginning when there was no immediate danger but he had to be strict once Doumeki's life started to be in danger just because some people were targeting Yashiro and Doumeki was in the way.
All he's ever done is try to protect Doumeki. From the beginning he thought Doumeki should and could get a decent job instead of being a yakuza's bodyguard. After a while, it became about saving Doumeki's life. Doumeki is stubborn as hell and won't listen when he asks nicely so what was he supposed to do?
Right now he's being unnecessarily mean because he's realising that Doumeki's love for him messed up his entire life. His face is scarred, he's missing his pinky. He's 100% yakuza now, he won't ever be able to get a normal job and a normal life. Yashiro, who thinks of himself as pure trash that doesn't deserve to live (let me remind you that he literally went on a suicide mission on purpose before the timeskip), has all the right reasons to be angry because of that. The way he sees it, Doumeki threw away his life for nothing. Snarky remarks are all he's got to cope with the situation.
Furthermore, have compassion for a rape survivor. This isn't the usual "uke" who's being undecisive for silly reasons. Yashiro literally is still suffering from PTSD from being raped for years as a child, being abandoned by his parents and being forced to join the violent world of the yakuzas at the age of 19, not to mention being sexually degraded by dozens of men since he was a teenager because of said trauma. Yes, he was seeking out these violent hookups but don't think for a second that it didn't have an impact on his soul and his psyche. Every single hookup was a re-enactment of his rape and a way to convince himself that he's unworthy of love, unworthy of knowing happiness, unworthy to live. The author is being extremely accurate with her portrayal of PTSD caused by rape and I'll always be grateful for that.
I'll also end on that note: Yashiro has no obligation to return Doumeki's feelings, no matter how pure and deep Doumeki's love is. I see lots of people complaining about that, and you sound like incels. If someone loves you very much that doesn't mean you have to love them back. Of course people who actually pay attention to the story know that Yashiro is passionately in love with Doumeki so I don't get the complaints to begin with but just wanted to point that out.