you're never polite. ever.
Lie: "You get pissed off at individuals who don’t support rape." idiotic lie
"to me, all art is good art." LOL get an education
fake, blow-hard, phony, critical, disrespectful to me, and designed to give me a bad name: "you should show more respect for those who have dealt with these things."
venomous witch
I can't stand you
sorry, mai and an-chan. I just really don't like that person.
I've just gotta ram this right down your throat: You said, "an ENTIRE genre is not going to disappear"
and then this: "I never said it would dry up overnight, and I definitely didn’t imply it."
Am I to believe you don't know what disappear means?
I see your heart's bleeding a little bit.I understand Why This generation Don't prefer such a tropes for romance but they have to understand the intention It was sold too Women And marketed towards women so the Nuance are Are not in context Of a healthy same sex relationship that's not the goal it's Shock factor.These new hash criticisms are causing them to lose their passion in drop there Pen for new stories Which is sad. Bara creators On the other hand also use the same tropes to sell to gay men So the shoe is on both their feet.My issue is warning every story to be a La La Land Peace of work without heartache and trauma that doesn't make sense cause real relationships have real problems.Hopefully They learn to use rape traps as away To show people how to love someone that has been so damaged that no one would look for them Even if they have to for their sake.
No problem, it's okay. I understand lmao.
Woaah! What happened here?!
I guess that person has never actually READ the comments here to say something disrespectful like that!! And we agree with all the younger generation thing, duh i mean they are called MINORS for some reason!!
honestly, just shut up bro. I’ve quoted you multiple times and I’ll do it again.
“We are about to see THIS GENRE DRY UP. ..It's as if they don't know that they're going to lose these precious manga and manhwa if they don't change their attitude. I guess they don't want rape so much that they're WILLING TO KILL THE YAOI GENRE just so no one ever sees any rape.”
Im not gonna quote you again, so actually pay attention this time. Those were your words, not mine. YOU said that those who criticized artists who included rape in their work would kill the genre. Obviously when I say “support rape” I don’t mean that you literally support sexual abuse, just like when you say you “don’t care about rape for starters” you’re referring to rape IN YAOI. don’t be dumb.
I understand what they were TRYING to say. But it came across in generalizations and assumptions. Some of their points may have been valid, but some of their points were not.
all right, Kat, I'm actually going to make an attempt here, but first, I don't like you always trying to climb on top of me, like you're my mother or something. I have a mother, and you're not her, and anyway she's dead. Now.
1. You: "You shouldn’t generalize. Collectively blaming the “younger age group” and “younger readers” is false and simply incorrect. "
It is neither false nor incorrect. Any socially responsible adult with a brain and of like-mind would be alarmed if they had the very up close view of what I and others like Mai and Annimegirl have observed with this younger age group. You can almost pinpoint their arrival here by the sudden shift in attitude from appreciative of the artists to hypercritical; from normal concern over crime to a group crazed to the point of obsession about one crime only: rape
Anyway, these are my observations, and not subject to "right or wrong."
part 2 of your lecture i already addressed.
This: "just like when you say you “don’t care about rape for starters” you’re referring to rape IN YAOI. don’t be dumb."
You're wrong. How's it feel to get a rude comment like that right in your face? I don't care about rape in real life either. I care about as much as any normal, socially concerned citizen of the world cares. I feel the same way about lesbians, too, and horses, boats, and man-eating plants. I'm concerned about crime in general, but I have my own problems to deal with, and rape doesn't touch my life. As for actual feelings, I don't feel a thing. I deeply care about the death of George Floyd, but rape? not so much. I'm pretty objective on the subject.
you: But that doesn’t mean I’m gonna tell someone who may have trauma with sexual abuse that they should shut the fück up about the discomfort they feel" There's a time and place for that, and this ain't it.
People say horrible things all the time, crime victims don't have the right to expect others to shut up because they might say something that will hurt their feelings. you can't sacrifice everyone's freedom so someone can feels safe from hurtful words.
You: "We are about to see THIS GENRE DRY UP. ..It's as if they don't know that they're going to lose these precious manga and manhwa if they don't change their attitude. I guess they don't want rape so much that they're WILLING TO KILL THE YAOI GENRE just so no one ever sees any rape"
You're not an artist. You don't get to speak to me with high-handed authority on this
sorry, I meant that that was you quoting mw
this is you: "Artists should be able to take criticism. I say this with reluctance, because criticism can be hurtful. But if you are showing sensitive topics, or contributing to the normalization of something, it should be expected to receive criticism."
I disagree. There's a limit to what any group should have to be subjected to.
I don't care about rape for starters.
Don't think the Lezhin artist don't see these comments. They are one click and a google translate button away. They see what you're doing to the artist of this manhwa, and they're angry. The hatred, insults, protests about the subject of rape has a huge effect.
Before about 3 years ago, people totally had a perspective on rape. Appreciation for the artist came as a huge priority over complaining and yelling at artists that they shouldn't draw certain things like rape. There used to be gratitude, adulation, fans sent them gifts, and expressed their complete devotion. The result was that yaoi flourished because the fans made the artists happy.
This group of younger readers doesn't understand that artists will either be free to express their own ideas without limitations, or they simply will stop producing art. Keep demanding they stop writing rape or any other subject they choose and watch what's about to happen. "I'm just expression my opinion. there's nothing wrong with it." There's everything wrong with it!
The world has learned what I guess the younger people just don't get, that you can't demand that artists do what you want, request, or require no matter what. They need to be free to do what they do.
I guess a younger age group flooded in and started reading manga, only they were extremely hard on the artists and still are. this has been going on for the past 3 years. I don't think they understand that artists are not normal people.many many of them are HSP's, and they can't handle cannon fire in huge blast waves. They're super sensitive. Easily hurt. not capitalistic. so it would be hard to buy their loyalty to this genre. I sense that the situation is at a breaking point. I don't see how the readers can't feel it. We are about to see this genre dry up. It's already happening and meanwhile these fans are not letting up. It's as if they don't know that they're going to lose these precious manga and manhwa if they don't change their attitude. I guess they don't want rape so much that they're willing to kill the yaoi genre just so no one ever sees any rape.
The Lezhin artists have closed ranks behind artists before. An artist gets mistreated, and the collective artists will react in a way that will stun you. Do you want boycotts and walkouts?
I don't want that to happen again. It's too painful for the artists, and they will quit working or slow down their work if they're upset. Far fewer artist will draw yaoi. It's not worth the hatred and discouragement. Artists are motivated more by people liking and expressing their approval and affection than they are by money.
Start appreciating them for whatever they're expressing, accept them for who they are. Don't make artists the martyrs in your campaign against rape or any other subject you don't like, or don't and watch this genre disappear. It's already happening.