Wow. It's so rare to see the point of sexual harassment in Tianshan being discussed in 19 Days. It always amuse me that there are always the crowd who hang around Yaoi rape plot tropes screaming about 'romanticizing abuse' is wrong but they never aim their outrage in stories that are NOT 18+ like Shounen Ai which, in my opinion, are the only ones where the discussion would be valid. To be clear, I abhor people who shame shippers in Yaoi rape plots because these are stories for adults. When people reading these stories ship 'wrong' non normative couples, the understanding is that they are adults and all the implications of it. In my opinion, there are two types of readers who read 19 Days : adults who know very well this falls into the trope of abuse relationship, non consensual that in real life is not appropriate or excusable. It doesn't need to have rape to classify a story as a trope between a dominant seme sexually abuse and harass or bully the use until he relents and falls in love. It's the trope of such stories. These readers would never engage in a discussion where they explain He Tian behavior in terms of real life acceptable or this relationship as love. The author herself makes clear the kink and the trope. Mo Guan Shan is marked with He Tian ( he has branded his name, he wears a jewelry of ownership, he even walks around in a leash in one of the official arts. It's clearly an adult owner/pet master/servant undertone.) The other readers are young teenagers, this is shonen ai and despite what some posters in here want to imply after the backslash, this makes this story geared and consumed mostly by young teenagers. Reading the comments, you do have the impression that many readers of this think that because they don't see a more clear sexual crime ( like rape) than this does not fall into the trope. Wrong. Rape is just the most overt form of it. Everything He Tian ever did to Mo whenever he said no was already sexual harassment in real life standard. Never mind the other things. To readers trying to say this is for adults, wrong again. The door is open like Yaoi mature wouldn't be and the fact that even the adults in the room try to put down the discussion about this being the actual situation where sexual abuse gets normalized by fiction ( that is not aimed at adults and therefore reach people who can be easily convinced or lead on) is alarming. My point is not for the adults who know what they are reading. My point is mostly for the crowd who flock adult Yaoi rape plots ( the most popular now being POTN) lecturing about those stories normalizing non consensual relationship and then in the same breath stay silent or even defend Shounen Ai stories who have the same trope. I ask you that anyone reply with honesty: what is more harmful? I tell you: no one ever will start thinking rape is normal after reading a Yaoi rape plot. For one, because the crime is obvious and the audience is mature. On the other hand, you can tell the effect of what 'normalizing' means by reading the audience of 19 Days young people explaining with all effort why the relationship He Tian and Mo Guan Shan is not sexual harassment or why it's excusable, etc. It's all about the age of the audience and how they respond to it. For all people out there who rage against 'normalize abuse', leave the ADULT YAOI RAPE PLOT' alone and park your van in here if you have the balls. If there are any normalization of things, it's not the explicit abuse and the adult audience who is your goal. It's the implicit, blurred, implied-but-never-consumed, 'soft' sexual abuse that gets eat up by the pre teens and teens who are the largest audience of 19 Days.
Wow. It's so rare to see the point of sexual harassment in Tianshan being discussed in 19 Days.
It always amuse me that there are always the crowd who hang around Yaoi rape plot tropes screaming about 'romanticizing abuse' is wrong but they never aim their outrage in stories that are NOT 18+ like Shounen Ai which, in my opinion, are the only ones where the discussion would be valid.
To be clear, I abhor people who shame shippers in Yaoi rape plots because these are stories for adults. When people reading these stories ship 'wrong' non normative couples, the understanding is that they are adults and all the implications of it.
In my opinion, there are two types of readers who read 19 Days : adults who know very well this falls into the trope of abuse relationship, non consensual that in real life is not appropriate or excusable. It doesn't need to have rape to classify a story as a trope between a dominant seme sexually abuse and harass or bully the use until he relents and falls in love. It's the trope of such stories. These readers would never engage in a discussion where they explain He Tian behavior in terms of real life acceptable or this relationship as love. The author herself makes clear the kink and the trope. Mo Guan Shan is marked with He Tian ( he has branded his name, he wears a jewelry of ownership, he even walks around in a leash in one of the official arts. It's clearly an adult owner/pet master/servant undertone.)
The other readers are young teenagers, this is shonen ai and despite what some posters in here want to imply after the backslash, this makes this story geared and consumed mostly by young teenagers. Reading the comments, you do have the impression that many readers of this think that because they don't see a more clear sexual crime ( like rape) than this does not fall into the trope. Wrong. Rape is just the most overt form of it. Everything He Tian ever did to Mo whenever he said no was already sexual harassment in real life standard. Never mind the other things. To readers trying to say this is for adults, wrong again. The door is open like Yaoi mature wouldn't be and the fact that even the adults in the room try to put down the discussion about this being the actual situation where sexual abuse gets normalized by fiction ( that is not aimed at adults and therefore reach people who can be easily convinced or lead on) is alarming.
My point is not for the adults who know what they are reading. My point is mostly for the crowd who flock adult Yaoi rape plots ( the most popular now being POTN) lecturing about those stories normalizing non consensual relationship and then in the same breath stay silent or even defend Shounen Ai stories who have the same trope. I ask you that anyone reply with honesty: what is more harmful?
I tell you: no one ever will start thinking rape is normal after reading a Yaoi rape plot. For one, because the crime is obvious and the audience is mature. On the other hand, you can tell the effect of what 'normalizing' means by reading the audience of 19 Days young people explaining with all effort why the relationship He Tian and Mo Guan Shan is not sexual harassment or why it's excusable, etc.
It's all about the age of the audience and how they respond to it.
For all people out there who rage against 'normalize abuse', leave the ADULT YAOI RAPE PLOT' alone and park your van in here if you have the balls. If there are any normalization of things, it's not the explicit abuse and the adult audience who is your goal. It's the implicit, blurred, implied-but-never-consumed, 'soft' sexual abuse that gets eat up by the pre teens and teens who are the largest audience of 19 Days.