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Haha sorry not to be rude..But its to long soo i lazy to read it..sorry..you sure get A+ in exam..(  ̄v ̄||)
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I totally get it. But it’s not just that acknowledgment of fiction versus reality. I think it’s a given that queer men don’t act like what yaoi portrays, even what BL as a whole portrays, but there’s also the actions to consider. I don’t want to leave it up to who’s reading the manga because I find that it depends on too many variables to account for. I’m not gonna address the child thing because that’s a whole other can of worms but just understanding people don’t act like this isn’t enough. Of course, since it’s fiction, it’s exaggerated greatly; but the reader after reading things similar to this may find connections with other BL, whether that be shounen ai or yaoi (probably yaoi), and may draw conclusions because they are misinformed regardless of orientations. This could be because they were never informed, because of their age, or other factors and variables to pile into. I’m not trying to say that no one should read it. As I tried to say; if you understand what’s wrong with it I think you should be good. But leaving something like that up to the readers is a bit too much. Especially if they don’t understand
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Stop saying we fetishize gay men stopppppp. Like if this was about straight People NO ONE and i mean no one would even consider Saint we are fetishizing straight people and blah blah blah. How wrong it is to read, tonic couple etc. Like have you seen all the Young adult Stuff there is? Like after, twillight, fifty shades. Like why isnt people talking about how toxic that shit is and i know People fine the sex scenes in these books hot and probely get off from Them (its just like porn) but litterly no one say we are fetisizing them.................
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I dont think its wrong to read yaoi, bl, m/m romance etc i just do it because im tired of the same stereotype hetero couple in like all book who give young People falls hope of what love is. And the sex scene sucks in hetero books like litterly you can’t just put the D in the V and then everything is FireWork and good.
BUT in yaoi is just guys and let me say guys have things girl dosent have and because of that i dont know how that thing works or what frels good. So i dont need to sit an cringe and complain when is 2 guys......
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I think I’ll just reply to each of your replies seperately. So I wasn’t directly saying that people who read this fetishize gay men. If you click on my profile I think it’s pretty obvious what I tend to read. What this was about was the fact of their age and what consequences this may have; or basically I wanted to understand a bit more. I would like to add that no one says we fetishize straight people but that’s not true. A lot of times, instead of calling it fetishization we call it hypersexualized because in our minds we are taught that we are by default straight and since we don’t really see it as a fetish straight up. Instead, the obvious example is the internet where hetero porn and ads are everywhere. This could be on instagram, tumblr, literally anywhere. We call this hypersexualization because most often men are making women more sexual to grab our attention and vice versa. It all boils down to societal norms.
Just so we’re clear, fetishizing something is making (something) the object of a sexual fetish. That means there are straight women who view m|m as a sexual fetish.
I get where you’re coming from; and if you want to have a more open discussion with others I completely get it. If that’s the case you can talk to a lot more people about it and possibly have something be done about it.
I’m not sure this helps but I’ve seen a few people (while poking fun) illustrate how bad and toxic 50 Shades Of Gray and Twilight is, so I’m not sure where you’re getting at. I’m pretty sure many people have made points explaining why those works are bad (plus, I’m pretty sure 50 shades of gray is NOT a YA Novel).
Just to rephrase: I wasn’t saying that if you read this you fetishize gay men. I was more concern about their age because Japan’s age of consent is 13 in other countries it’s different for a variety of reasons. Also people do talk about the red flags in literature such as 50 Shades of Gray and Twilight. And because of societal norms a different phrase is used for fetishization of hetero couples.
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I totally get why you read BL, and it’s a valid and common reason to start getting into it. And I get why hetero relationships can get tiring or frustrating to someone whose experience was the real thing. I can completely understand the cringe too.
I’m just gonna say again that that wasn’t the point of the topic.
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Nah you didn’t waste my time <3 and I totally agree with your points. Like sometimes I have to read through tonsss of bad BL that normalizes a LOT of bad things just to find the good ones; and sometimes I’ll just skip the hassle and read shounen ai or some reincarnation stuff that’s been floating around. But I’m just happy you got my point and I send love <3
Like these characters are 15-16 years old. At least the MC is; and with the amount of exposure it has to first-time readers of Yaoi and overall BL I really worry. I don’t mind if people read this... to each their own.... but you can’t look at this manga the same way when these characters are that young and doing illicit things. Because of the mainstream popularity it has gained through other social media sites, such as instagram and tiktok, this also empathize the fact that people fetishize gay men for their pleasure. Most often, these people are straight women or in general women. Not saying they can’t be anything different, but the audience are people who don’t know anything about the culture.
That being said, I’ve seen highschoolers on tiktok make and dance to this anime’s opening theme and I can’t help but think it’s wrong. I will admit; the song slaps, but the storyline... as intriguing and cool in theory as it is.... is not ok.
I have read this. I’ve read it before, and as much as the characters are flushed out and interesting, it gained huge attention and it gave a negative reputation for fetishizing gay men and teenagers. Please, please, please understand that if this plays into your kinky whatever the fuck, then to each their own; but even I should know the worst points of a manga that I enjoy.
An example is Koisuru Boukin. For me, it’s a comfort read that I’ve been reading for years. As much as I enjoy the character development; I cannot ignore the fact the manga portrays an unhealthy physical domestic relationship as well as normalize rape or other assault and bad things. Like I said, it’s a comfort read, and I acknowledge and constantly remember that this is what is taking place and that is not ok.
I feel the same could be said about Yachirin Bitch Club, although I also feel that the consequences and insinuation that happens when you read this is too grand. Because of what it promotes, or at least glosses over, it is hard to say exactly. I personally feel that if you know, acknowledge, and regularly understand that certain aspects of manga or any medium are being illustrated in an unhealthy or illegal manner than that is one step closer to identifying problems and raising awareness. Another thing is that BL readers that are fairly new to the game might be recommended this manga or anime to watch and would form an incorrect and misinformed view on the community. I would recommend this manga to readers that have quite a few years under their belt and can identify and recognize a healthy relationship vs an unhealthy relationship. Also somebody who doesn’t fetishize gay men for their kinks.