Ha to bad your offensive and mean to others, and I get the feeling you do give two fucks because you sure had a lot to say, call me a snowflake for caring about people. If I have to be sensitive and mad about things that are wrong then so be it.
bruh this is so embarrassing
Why are you bashing at me? Can't take a simple question?
wow, okay, i literally just brought in another opinion because i don't think cursing at people is the best way to change their mind. first of all, im buddhist, so atheist, and second of all, i personally hate heteronormative ideas in BL. in the chapter where he said "so youre the boyfriend?" i almost screamed "you both are." my comment showed no indication of my personal thoughts on bl and the lgbt+ community, so you yelling at me with your own thoughts really hurt me because i literally just said this is porn, people are entitled to their opinions, because just as you said, yaoi is mainly fetishizing gay men. and i just think that if you want to show them their views are bad (which, we dont even what their views are! as i said, it may have been their dynamic which caused them to want their roles to be switched!) cursing at them isnt the best solution, and will only create more anger. i personally agree with you, but im questioning your end goal. do you want to yell at people? or do you want to show them their views are objectively wrong? cursing at someone is only going to create more tensions between both sides, and end up with more anger. if you want to show them that bl shouldn't be the place for heteronormative ideas, just tell them that and why, don't curse at them. now you've just cemented them in their ideas. this doesn't warrant cursing and it just makes things far worse. you're ostracizing people and making them feel more entitled to their opinions because the "other side" is full of people who curse and yell at others. my ass isnt sensitive, i just actually have an end goal when it comes to things; showing people the possible error of their ways, because i actually want to make a change, one person at a time, not just yell and curse at them, so my lgbt+ friends will feel more comfortable when they interact with these people in real life.
you sure changed your tune, a couple comments ago you were on their side, what made ya switch, and maybe your right the cursing was a little agro but this is not irl. If i had met this person in real life I would have been much calmer. but this is a site were I read fun comics not want the homophobic gender stereotype bullshit, i see enough of that every where I go. so hey i apologize for the cursing even tho I think that ***** deserved it. but i won't take back what I said just because a couple doesn't fit your hetero normative stereotype doesn't mean you can bash them on, even if they are completely fictional characters in some dumb porn manga.
You must be absolutely brain dead if you think you can just say some dumb shit on a public forum, mind you, and then consider it "private business" I saw a user say some dumbass shit, so I replied. Don't give me that holier than thou shit. Your opinions are trash, and your rebuttals are trash, you got me fucked up
Ya'll just need to take a fucking chill pill.
@Kanekiloverxoxo This may be the internet and you might not be able to see nor touch them, but people still have feelings. You're free to have your own opinion, yes, but there's no need to be so hostile about it. As you've just witnessed, people really do still get upset and hurt when confronted with such harsh words, be it read or heard.
@SuperYaoiQueen Yes, people are completely entitled to have their own opinion, whatever it may be. Just remember though, this IS the internet, so no matter your opinion, you're bound to attract the attention of others that might think it's wrong. (which there is no wrong nor right in an opinion) It's better to just remember that when you give your piece, and if someone speaks against it you can just roll your eyes and carry on with life. You don't need to defend your own thoughts to others, as they belong to you and can only be changed at your own digression.
@Coochiecuddles The same I said to SuperYaoiQueen can be said to you. It's better to just say your piece (or don't) and carry on.
Of course, having said all this, this is my opinion on what I see, so take it or leave it. ┑(￣Д ￣)┍
I think I’ll leave it. You think ignoring helps anything. Peoples opinions always matter until they’re opinions influence others in a negative or even harmful way. If I don’t stand up for people who are at disadvantage than nothing will ever change. Being a coward and brushing something off isn’t in my dictionary. This is the internet yes, but that actually gives me even more of reason to say something. I don’t know where any of you are from and that’s perfect, the internet allows me to voice my opinions to you all despite the fact that your not near me. And if I can shine some light on this and maybe help someone understand than I will continue to respond to this stupid thread
1. I never said to straight up ignore it, was more-so just saying that you don't HAVE to respond to it.
2. Who are you standin up here for, hun? "Peoples opinions always matter until they’re opinions influence others in a negative or even harmful way" There was no one influenced nor hurt til you flew off the handle swearing at someone telling them that what they felt about something was wrong. That was the hurting factor here.
3. It's not being an act of cowardice to leave something alone and not comment on it. Sometimes it's for the better to do so.
No one hurt huh?what about all the gay men who feel insecure because they aren’t feminine enough. And hey stupid: not responding = ignoring. It’s literally in the definition of both of those phrases. And not saying anything when something is offensive to a group of people when in your heart you know it’s wrong IS cowardice. Yet again I stand by my words. How many times I gotta repeat myself till y’all get it, right now the only thing you guys can even use against me is the fact that I cursed at the bitch and not anything on the point I’m trying to prove here. And me telling a person that they’re words are hurting people in an agro manner is not the “hurting factor” it was their dumbass comment that was offensive to that minority of gay men.
K but their problem ain't yours lul (as far as I know anyways) And you getting all worked up over a comment made on a FICTIONAL manga ain't gonna help jackshit. The only way those people are gonna be helped 100% is if they help themselves, too. You're not helping ANYONE in this scenario. I sure as hell wouldn't want "help" from someone spouting off on another person for thinking and feeling what they want, cause that's not the way you do it. Cause what's the point of "helping" one minority when you're probably hurting so many more in your method of doing so.
What minorities am i harming exactly, your literally spouting bullshit. And you think minorities don't welcome outside help, outside support is always supported. trust me on that i'm several minorities in one damn package but and when someone speaks out for me and my differnces they instantly get brownie points. and the fictional manga thing, it doesn't matter what platform or what form the discrimination comes in, if you see it then speak out. the not helping anyone comment, I may be cursing a lot and i guess i can fucking apologize for that , but speaking out for someone especially went their not currently present to defend themselves is always helpful. especially to ignorant bitch ass cunts who spout shit that they can't even defend. when your on the losing side being nice gets you no where.
and i may be spouting off on they're opinion but I never once said they were wrong. i'm just disagreeing with them, and considering they're no longer responding they already given up. besides the cursing thing wasn't even one sided they cursed at all the comments that didn't curse at them first. do you think your being all high and mighty by saying these things to me? huh? trying to come off as the better person by scolding me for my cursing? thanks mom. congrats on supporting hetero normative piece of homophobic trash :)
Man, I gotta say that I really do love it when people like you start callin people that have read a yaoi manga homophobic lol Other than that, I just got 2 more words for you to stew over: Verbal Abuse. THAT is all you have done. You've defended no one.
okay u five year old
Verbal abuse to someone who’s is being abusive. Nice. Anyway what kinda household were you raised in that makes you think cursing is verbal abuse? Slang and offensive words are abuse not fuck, shit, damn, and ass. Stop being so damn sensitive just because you can’t say anything back, y’all the ones bullying people and noticed how you didn’t rebuttal the claim about agreeing with them so I’ll just take that as you do. I may not have choosen the best way to speak my support but at least I wasn’t like you.
Nice come back, you said something earlier about me being a snowflake and what they’re saying not hurting anybody. What they’re saying is hurting somebody that’s why I’m saying all this
I suggest you go and study more into what can be considered as verbal abuse :)
And you should study on how to be a nice person, who doesn’t stand up for hetero normative pieces of shit
I never said I supported one side nor the other though lul. Tbh I couldn't care less about what people think, cause I have no right to judge them, nor do you.
i was never on their side, i literally said "i think it's more their dynamic rather than the gender stereotypes? you're so agro even though you have no idea why they would prefer one over the other. people are entitled to their opinions, and yes, even if may make you uncomfortable, i don't think that it warranted you cursing at them?"
i do my best not to display my side in these sorts of things because, as neil degrasse tyson said, “The moment when someone attaches you to a philosophy or a movement, then they assign all the baggage and all the rest of the philosophy that goes with it to you. And when you want to have a conversation, they will assert that they already know everything important there is to know about you because of that association. And that's not the way to have a conversation.”
i try my hardest never to curse at people, because i actually care about the end goal. even if it is online, you are representing a philosophy and a position to this person, and doing so quite angrily. you never once asked why they think that the ship would be better with the positions reversed, and just because this is online does not excuse you for being so rude. many people only interact with lgbt+ members online - this being the internet is not an excuse. you are representing a philosophy, and thus a group of people who follow this philosophy, and if you want to make this place more accepting for others you can't afford to represent this group of people who follow this philosophy as angry people who yell and curse at others. think about the end goal.
the op didn't bash on them, simply said they would prefer if the roles were reversed. that's valid. i would prefer in several cases more hetero-normative pairings had their roles reversed, even though i've had many friends who do fit into hetero-normative stereotypes be bashed on for not being "really gay," or "closet straights," or "internal homophobes." this is as you said, some "dumb porn manga," and people are entitled to what gets them off, in my humble opinion. they're not harassing the mangaka, they didn't even say why they thought it would be better if the roles were reversed. i still fail to see why you're being so agro. it's doing no good. do you just want to be angry? do you just want to yell and make this person feel more justified to their ideas like a martyr? i appreciate you apologizing for cursing, but your entire stance and entitlement to it seems very passionate some "dumb porn manga."
This would have been good if yoshita was the uke and not the seme cause that just ruins the mood