Trigger warning rape

Ohno August 20, 2020 4:04 am

Ya’ll stay saying it’s yaoi and yaoi usually has rape get over it. Do you realize how dumb you sound. Just because something is commonplace doesn’t mean it’s okay or should be normalized. it really shows how you fetishize gay men and it’s disgusting. this trend of romanticized rape in yaoi needs to stop. Rape is not cute or romantic and if it is included in a yaoi it should be addressed and handled appropriately. Rape is an incredibly damaging and tramautizing event. and to fall in love with your rapist in your right mine is never heard of.

Responses
    Ohno September 13, 2020 5:19 am
    maybe you should go to art school and learn what an artist actually is, because you really don't know, and that's going to stifle you and the artists you try to oppress Quicksilver

    I didn’t think you were actually this dumb wow

    Quicksilver September 13, 2020 5:21 pm
    I have not once in this conversation advocated for the removal of rights for artists. I called for more criticism of harmful works. is it taking away the rights of artists when we ban child porn because there m... Ohno

    Heavy criticism... as if artist's lives aren't hard enough.

    You don't think. You just leap into your already prepared arguments and rhetoric. Maybe if you stopped and thought about something someone says to you once in a while, you'd have better and better arguments.
    Artists must have freedom. If you put a ceiling on what they can do, you end up with the collective communist art or the art under Mao. Your arguments would also benefit from a little more hiistory would benefit you. How old are you? I'm not asking to set up more defensiveness from you. god knows. I'm just curious

    Maybe you should criticize people, governments. Artists don't deserve you rallying against them.

    Ohno September 13, 2020 5:34 pm
    Heavy criticism... as if artist's lives aren't hard enough.You don't think. You just leap into your already prepared arguments and rhetoric. Maybe if you stopped and thought about something someone says to yo... Quicksilver

    I don’t know what you don’t get about just because they’re artist doesn’t mean they get a free pass from criticism. And while you are attack my arguments you have made not one argument or actually responded to my arguments just pivoting. Artist in Japan have freedom. No one is calling for that freedom to be taken away. What we are calling for is for people to recognize that some of the work that artists produce is harmful to the readers and the people they’re representing in their stories. It is within my free speech to criticize these authors. They are not some children who are unable to recognize when harm is done and they probably know that these tropes are damaging. Stop coddling them. They are full grown adults who need to take responsibility for their actions.

    Quicksilver September 13, 2020 5:52 pm

    You say this: "artists produce is harmful to the readers and the people they’re representing in their stories."
    This calls for restrictions whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You're not an artist but the enemy of artists. The battle cry against artists you're trying to raise has already been fought through history. This period we live in is a brief respite from the people like you - or the "we" you now say you're part of - who are trying to destroy what we do by eroding our freedom. Your super ultra conservative approach honestly offends the fuck out of me.
    Again, You don't think. You just leap into your already prepared arguments and rhetoric.

    Ohno September 13, 2020 5:57 pm
    You say this: "artists produce is harmful to the readers and the people they’re representing in their stories."This calls for restrictions whether you want to acknowledge it or not. You're not an artist but... Quicksilver

    I’m calling for more people to recognize the harm and for people to CRITICIZE them so maybe us readers can get better stories. No one is hurting the creators rights when if they release a badly done story no one reads it. That’s all on them. and it can help produce better and innovative stories. No one is trying to erode anyone’s freedoms. Criticism does not erode your freedom. Instead what it does is to encourage artist to make better stories and artwork. Is it eroding a director’s freedoms when they make a bad movie and people criticize it? No. So why is it any different for people who write bad manga?

    Quicksilver September 13, 2020 8:01 pm
    I’m calling for more people to recognize the harm and for people to CRITICIZE them so maybe us readers can get better stories. No one is hurting the creators rights when if they release a badly done story no ... Ohno

    better stories by what puritanical people like you who want, the kind with some kind of heavy moral message.(yuk) It's what YOU want to read. not me. Your brand of preachery is not erotic to me, not enjoyable, not fun, not even of any social value because it's not going to be done by any real artists who are free to express themselves.

    Anyway, please describe in detail the "harm" you're referring to.

    Quicksilver September 13, 2020 8:09 pm

    pressure, criticize, lean on, push artists. an ugly goal.
    ... I like rape in fantasy, the more romantic the better, so there are millions of people who don't want your methods inflicted on artists. I'm happy and grateful to these artists. I don't have that much criticism that I'd want them to change what they do. I like their individual expression to come through. I don't want them to work according to "fan pressure." Fans - like you - have terrible taste, and their way of getting what they want is ugly.

    Ohno September 13, 2020 8:21 pm
    better stories by what puritanical people like you who want, the kind with some kind of heavy moral message.(yuk) It's what YOU want to read. not me. Your brand of preachery is not erotic to me, not enjoyabl... Quicksilver

    I really wish you’d stop making prescriptive statements about me that are untrue. I’ve decided to give up on this argument because you’re literally a brick wall who refuses to make an actual argument or properly dispute any of mine. Continue living your life like the block head you are but i hope you can do some personal growth. I am literally the last person you’d describe like that. I love fucked up manga with rape in it but the most important thing is making sure the reader knows that what’s happening is fucked up. Please open up a book about anything cause you are an actual idiot. Good bye :)

    Quicksilver September 13, 2020 8:33 pm
    I really wish you’d stop making prescriptive statements about me that are untrue. I’ve decided to give up on this argument because you’re literally a brick wall who refuses to make an actual argument or p... Ohno

    you want your thirst for violence quenched. Your idea of "presented the right way" is showing injury, mental pain, trauma. You just want to see a lot of pain and suffering. Well I read yaoi for pleasure, and I don't want to read the kind of depressing stories harada writes. He also writes high quality, well-drawn, funny or interesting stories. I like that side of Harada, not the torture kind that you're so keen on.
    Here's the news, harada writes that depressing shit because he finds it erotic, not because he's on a moral mission.