oh-thank you for making this clear and I agree with you because I feel the same when it comes to yaoi that I can't/can not handle.
You're welcome!! I've never liked it when people complain to others who dropped a certain bl for it's lack of consent and it's definitely something that needed to be said clearly and concisely.
I agree! And you're welcome! I feel like if it hadn't been said, people would go on to complain about it and keep shaming others into feeling bad about dropping or disliking certain BL.
No. Their basially don't bash on people that don't agree with your tastes or opinions. ╮(￣▽￣)╭
*basically saying*
You are allowed to read and enjoy rape scenes and shota! Like bdsm and other fantasies, it can be a kink. Having rape fantasies/play and such are also fine.
But that's where I draw the line.
If you prey on a minor oran adult who has never given you consent, that's upsetting and disgusting. Certain mangas can portray that in a positive light. I myself don't enjoy it, but if you do, that's fine as long as we are all aware it is fiction. And should never be idolised/romanticised in real life situations.
And people who attack those who read shota or rape usually attack them because they don't like it or they've had bad experiences and they're sensitive to such things. I understand why, but I don't support them. On the other hand the percentage of people I've seen shaming others for not liking BL because it holds sensitive content or has portrayed an unhealthy relationship in a romantic light is much higher.
On the grounds of attacking people, I feel like you're taking this out on the wrong person.
I've rarely, if never, seen someone be aggressive towards someone who liked shota/rape BL on the grounds that they like the BL. It's usually because they make an accompanying statement like: "besides, it's not doing any harm" or they try and victim blame the character for not saying 'no' and letting it happen.
On the other hand, I've seen far more people shame someone because they weren't comfortable with the content. I felt that was more important to address because it is a bigger problem. Of course, I might be biased since I don't really explore rape manga, and whenever I do, the comment section is sometimes... Not the best. On top of that, the ones that attack those who don't like the BL usually just say things like "I'm not comfortable with this because it has rape scenes, so I'm dropping it." And then people comment that they're wrong for dropping something they didn't enjoy. Would you rather that they kept reading something they didn't like? I don't see the goal here.
If you have been attacked by someone who was claiming that it was uncomfortable for them, and therefore should be uncomfortable for you, feel free to use the "it's fiction, I'm allowed to like it. I'm aware that you might not be comfortable with it, but I like it. I'm aware that (subject) in real life might be wrong, but again, this is fiction. It's okay to like what I like and it okay for you to not like it." Line. It both simultaneously reassures the other that you're aware that it's fiction and it defends your preferences.
Anyway, I will repeat: Y'all can have your kinks. I don't care. But don't shame others because they don't like it or because they do. As long as we're all clear that it isn't real, and shouldn't ever be real, who gives a frick if you like it or don't?
I agree!
Yep! Also if people really are complaining about your preferences a lot, then I feel it comes from a place of insecurity, like they're uncomfortable because they also like it but they've been yelled at for doing so, so they're yelling at others because they've been shamed for their preferences. I might be wrong however, and it could just be a case of the more modern term of a social justice warrior. If they're rwally getting on your nerves and they're actually being rude without a valid reason, you can report or block them or just flat out ignore them so you don't see any of their comments.
Anyway, I hope you have a good day!
Pedophilia is illegal even in art im like 90% sure.
In the US, courts often point to the Miller test when evaluating whether material is obscene or not. I'm paraphrasing, but the Miller test essentially says that a work may be considered obscene if:
It appears to appeal to the prurient interest (i.e. it's used for sexual gratification), and
The work depicts or describes sexual/excretory activity in a very offensive way, and
The work lacks literary, artistic, political, or scientific value
found this on reddit about Boku no pico
https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladvice/comments/7kjx3w/is_shotacon_porn_such_as_boko_no_pico_legal_in/
I mean, yeah but people still portray it (like harada) and ngl, I love harada's work because it's upsetting, but it knows it's upsetting and leans into the concept of trauma and psychological effects from events in their life.
On the other hand, we just have people romanticising paedophilia irl and I don't like it. Liking paedophilic content is illegal, you are a paedophile, please stop. Get some therapy. I've heard it helps and they're unlikely to judge you.
But I don't think that a shota kink necessarily means that you're sexually/romantically attracted to children, more so that you think they're cute? Like: " Awwww they're adorable" type of thing and it's not really applied to people in real life either. It seems to specifically be an anime/fictional thing? I'm not sure. I don't know anyone who's a shota, and I myself am not, so I feel like I don't really have any authority to speak about it.
A lot of BL that contains paedophilia explores the trauma of it and how it's dark and grooming and all of that, so I'm not entirely sure it would be considered obscene.
I'll use Harada's works as an example.
Yes It has a lot of scenes that I think could be sexually arousing, but more than that their art when drawing rape scenes and such is distinctly different to me. It often has an unsettling black/stark white contrast or an uncomfortable atmostphere to it that indicates that you're not supposed to be aroused by it at all. I think a lot of their work isn't really for arousal but the sex scenes and rape scenes add to the plot or it just happens.
I don't speak for others, but I doubt that harada's work was supposed to be sexy or anything of the sort.
A lot of Harada's work has sexual activity but I don't think it's offensive. It has sensitive content but a lot of their work contains interesting characters and plot more than it does sex. Thee sex scenes aren't something useless either. I feel that their work that already contains sex scenes wouldn't work as well, if at all, without them.
The work lacks literary, artistic, political, or scientific value
i think that's what that means. Either way i'm gonna judge you if you are a pedophile that sees nothing wrong with their kink but if you don't sexually touch children i'm just gonna avoid you and wish you luck on getting help.
I'm also gonna mention that even though i read yaoi, I'm not sexually attracted to gay men/ real gay porn so this may also apply to some people that watch/read Shota and i only really have a problem if youre sexualizing real children.
I don't know what kinks Harada's work has? Also paedophilia is bad, I thought we established this??
Also I disagree that Harada's work lacks artistic/political value because it's very small, yes but I still think it's artistic and philosophical almost.
I agree! But I think that unless you're genuinely reading BL for the plot, you're attracted to some aspect of the content you consume.
And hardly anyone reads BL for the plot.
Yeah, you might not be attracted to gay men, but a lot of the men in BL are something like ikemen and I feel like that's something that was done on purpose.
That's what i mean. Harada's work has artistic/political value and im actually interested in checking their work out now. I also agree paedophilia is 100% bad.
Definitely. I'm not exactly sure why i like yaoi i've never had and still have no interest in gay porn (which is probably made up of 99% attractive porn actors if it's anything like straight porn) but that is an entirely different conversation.
If someone replies to your comment on a manga saying "Then don't read this manga," just say to them: "Then don't read my comment" haha
Trigger warning: mentions of rape and paedophilia.
Hello, I love and respect you all. I am a part of the BL community too.
But please.
Please.
Don't attack or complain to people who don't like the manga for a touchy topic. Like misrepresentation of a culture or theme or whatever. Or because it has rape scenes portrayed positively. Or because it portrays paedophilia in a romantic light.
Just because it's fictional, doesn't mean they have to be comfortable with it.
I am a minor. I am also paranoid. I feel terrified by the idea of an older person trying to pressure me into sex. I don't like the idea of someone jumping me and a flail uselessly because I'm physically weak.
I hate it and I'm allowed to be uncomfortable with the subject.
You cannot shame me by complaining that "oh, it's fake, so you shouldn't dislike it, or drop it." Or, " You're being sensitive, it's not even real".
Yeah. I know it's not real. But as someone who reads fiction on a daily basis, even if it's not real, I can still not like it.
This doesn't mean you can't enjoy BL with rape scenes or BL with paedophilia. I just want you to stop getting so touchy when someone doesn't like a certain BL because it has sensitive themes that aren't handled well, or misrepresentations of a subject that they could care a lot about.
Trigger warning: mentions of rape and paedophilia.