Read the disclaimer or somthning.

Mate if you think a disclaimer is all that's needed to make up for harmful or problematic works - yes even if it's fiction lol - you need to understand the impact stuff like this has on real life. Readers are more than allowed to criticize and comment on problematic content, it doesn't make anyone a 'sensitive little bitch'.

Additionally, pretending Yuri is comparable to Rape or shortacon is just bad taste dude.

I hope you manage to do a bit more reflection on why things like these are problematic and not undone purely with a simple disclaimer. Good luck in your growth, maybe don't be so fast to call everyone a little bitch.

facts

How is this a problematic work?
Of course readers are more than allowed to critize a work. But isnt it foolish to bash a work that they know will contains things that they are not into?

History books contains rape do you bash them? Fictional novels contains rape do you bash them? But do you think we should burn the book that contains rape or choose books that suit our taste instead? Do you think we should limit every creators creativity in their work to suit our own taste?

I did not meant to compare yuri , yaoi and rape as the same thing. However these genres are not acceptable by society therefore i use it as an example. I use gore as an example as well didnt I? Why is it matter so much? Focus on what im saying "dude".

I call everyone little bitch because they whine about every little thing and its ridiculious. Sure, you think I did not know why these works is seen as "problematic" but yes I do know why. But to assume that work of fiction will change a person's personality is farfetched.

The place that youre growing up in is what affect your character. Build you as a person. Adult around you is the people who affect your perspective as a person. Therefore yes, if you can read and understand what a disclaimer is, I think it is more than enough to give warning to its reader. If the reader is smart they know what they will get into.

Is it now?

I think to put it simply, if I read rape manga do I become a rapist? if I read yuri do I becomr a lesbian? If I read yaoi do I become gay? If I read gore do I become a killer?

I think the problem in many mangas and webtoons is that the rape is romanticised which is not okay. Thats where the issue arises.

Romanticising rape in a work of fiction is not healthy. There is a reason why 13 reasons why got so much heat because it glorifies suicide and romanticised it.

But then again. To each their own. You do what you want to do (●￣(ｴ)￣●)

Mate that's such a simplistic argument hahahahaha

Reread my comment before you pretend I'm trying to say anything about 'bashing' or 'burning' lol

I called you out for crying about 'little bitches' because you claimed a disclaimer means we can't criticize problematic content - which is plain incorrect. Don't try to turn the comment into this huge weird thing I'm supposedly saying about how we need to act in regards to problematic content in works of fiction haha

I hope you manage to have a nice day and get some clarity, rather than trying to twist a simple criticism of you insulting people into some weird grandstand about how we need to burn or bash art and fiction in our world.

Take care

13 reasons why was such a hot mess of glorifying unhealthy mental health haha

As one of my friends said, "No if I write fiction that portrays black people as criminals do I become a racist yes. If I write fiction that trivialises and glorifies rape am I a dumbfuck possible sexist fool yes. If I consume and promote than fiction am I likely to trivialize rape yes. Am I dumb yes. Am I a bad person for liking rape fics I dunno you gotta think my man."

Love, I dont think I need to re-read your comment but YOU need to re-read mine.

Yes, you called me out for it and I answered it.
No, I didnot say YOU were bashing the author but i said will you or would you bash the author for creating a fictional manga that you yourself know that it will contain things you are not into or you should smart read and choose wisely yourself. Will you burn the entire platform or try and filter the content yourself.

And yes, you can critize the content. But for example, I didnot like Gore and the disclaimer already warned me "WARNINGS! IT CONTAINS GORE" and I keep on reading, after that I leave a negative comment and bash the author for making a gore manga, calling the author a sycopath. Do you think this is wise? Dont you think its stupid? You already read the disclaimer and you proceed to read it. So yes, disclaimer is important. What more do you want? I understand if the critism make sense. However now it is a thin line between pure hate comment and constructive critism. People tend to cross it.

I did not try to twist your comment. I simply answer them and give my reasoning. You feel that way yourself, it could be your own delusion.

Creators are afraid to express their story because of this kind of reasoning.

If I were to create a story where the criminals was a person of color why am I automatically a racist? So it is okay if I make the criminals a white person? Isnt this just the same? Assuming white people as a criminals? Am I a racist too? Or should I make no criminals at all if this matter somehow connected to racism? In everything I do, it will be problematic anyway then.
What if it was a pure coincidence that the criminals in my story is a person of color? Am i still a racist?

If everything connected to everything, we should also question our perspective. Do we always see everything in the negative light?

If I make the heroine in my story as a damsel in distress then I must be an anti-feminist, because I dont see them as a strong independent woman.
If in my story I make the villain or the hero misogynist for the sake of the story then I must be one too?
If I make a story where the villain is fat and ugly then I must be fatphobia?

And yes, romanticizing rape in manga is problematic and ridiculious, but in fictional world, even stalking people is romantic. In real life we have consequences, for example imprisonment, which is why rape in manga can somehow lead to marriage. H mangas are the prime example. Its disgusting but it will never represent real life situation. However again, the idea of changing a person's personality by reading fictional works is farfetched. But we can still avoid it by smart read.

A thin line yes, which is why we have to open out mind and free ourselves from prejudice.
I guess, when a fictional story has characters that coincidence with real life events, people quickly shut down the entire story. Regardless of the message and the plot.

And I dont see a problem if I made that simple argument? I have a point didnt I? I would rather you answer that to read pointless "haha" in the end of every sentences you made.

Maybe I should also say, we should remove all rape mangas, all gore mangas, allllll yuri and yaoi mangas. Because like I said, people are sensitive little bitch, they hate on everything they cant take and whine about it hoping everything will be all sunshine and rainbows.
Yes, we should all always read detective conan.

Rather than to read***

I said simplistic - not simple, there is a difference. A simplistic argument is one that takes what was being said and twists it into something nonsensical, or is an argument that simply doesn't benefit the current discussion.

In this instance, you decided to take a criticism of you raging at people who dare comment on problematic content and pushed it to a nonsensical extreme in which you pretended 'I read bad thing so I am bad thing's was ever brought up or important to the discussion - it wasn't and the argument you made existed to detract from my original statement by making is seem ridiculous, because you twisted it to the extreme in a extremely simplistic way. Hence, I didn't engage as the idea you were pitching had nothing to do with the initial issue - you seemingly being very upset that readers dare criticize even if there is a disclaimer.

Look it's pretty obvious to me from your other comment that you don't actually understand systematic oppression and the power structures that exist in our society on every level - and fiction doesn't exist in a vacuum, racist content is influenced by and influences racism if the world. Romanticized rape does feed back into violent concepts and thoughts - no it's not as easy as 'I read blah so I am blah', but these things absolutely feed into oppressive and violent structures and behaviors in the world, even if it's on a micro scale. As you seem to believe works of fiction exist in a bubble that don't feed into problematic concepts in our world, us arguing about this is pointless.


Instead I will again repeat the simple comment I made on my original post - disclaimers do not take readers rights away to criticize. I am not talking about 'hate posts' or 'bashing authors' as your original post did not seem to include or specify only these - your original post was based on 'let the author do whatever they want because a disclaimer is enough and if you don't you're a little bitch' - and that is plain incorrect.

I agree with you. While many yaoi contains rape, the viewers should be aware that the author is designing a story for a 18+ audience. As such we should be responsible for reading mature themes and take responsibility for our thoughts and actions, which is why this story is aimed for an adult audience.

If you’re sensitive to rape and psychological themes, TAKE RESPONSIBILITY and don’t read it. The author has a clear disclaimer to warn the readers. But does this mean that all of the problematic pot lines are excused? No, it isn’t. HOWEVER, we can’t ignore that romanticising rape is prominent in many works of fiction, so as a audience we have to take up the responsibility of reading these types of stories.

So does this mean the author is at fault for writing this story? NO. The author has warned us of the sensitivity content ahead, so we shouldn’t blame or criticise them for writing the story. YOU have to remember that some authors enjoy drawing and writing sensitive story lines, which is why they place warnings FOR US as a audience. The author clearly tells us that the story is aimed for a 18+ audience with mature themes, so it is expected that as a mature audience, we are sensible enough TO NOT BE INFLUENCED BY THE NEGATIVE AND PROVOKING THEMES AND TO NOT BRING HARMFUL THOUGHTS INTO REAL LIFE.

I know that many people have their perspectives on the issue of rape but we have to understand that since we are reading this on a website like Mangago instead of Lezhin comics. There are many underage people reading this story, and many of them comment on the rape and abuse in stories, its understandable that they are concerned on this issue. HOWEVER, it doesn’t make it right to disrespect other people’s opinions. There has recently been a common issue in the comment section where people criticise others for their opinions on the story and its been more noticeable then it has ever been before, and its gotten much more toxic too. I’m not saying that I’m not welcoming the new people coming on to mangago, in fact I’m glad that our community is growing, but because there are more people, there are some who don’t take responsibility for what they read. REMEMBER THIS STORY IS FOR A MATURE AUDIENCE.

While readers have the right to criticise the story, KEEP IN MIND THAT THIS STORY IS FOR A MATURE AUDIENCE, and that YOU SHOULD TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU READ, there are age restrictions for a reason.
If you are sensitive to rape THEN DON’T READ IT. We as an audience have the responsibility to think critically about what we read and what we do with the information we consume. Which is why many yaoi and webtoons are for a 18+ audience.

So don’t go around saying inappropriate things about the author or others that enjoy these types of stories. They shouldn’t be hated on if they enjoy reading it. REMEMBER THIS IS FOR A MATURE AUDIENCE AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHAT YOU READ.

Im sorry what? Argument that doesnt benefit the current situation? I think that "simplistic" comment does help what Im trying to say unless you refuse to try and understand it. And systematic oppression?? What are you trying to drag here?

In my original comment I said, "Do I bash the reader and the author? No" and I adressed that and I didnot try to detract you from your original statement and twist them. Do you know how many death threats, how many nasty comment etc author and their readers get for enjoying mangas that contains rape? Many. Therefore you as an Adult who reads mangas that contains sensitive subject has to filter and decide yourself. So to answer you whether Disclaimer itself is enough yes, disclaimer is enough to warn the readers. Am i still twisting something here?

And no, I do not understand the systematic oppression and power structures that youre trying to drag here.
But if we change the subject to RACISM, it is a very wide subject. Because true, our views and perspective can be affected by our ancestor's work. ( Especially the fact that they normalize racism) . But dont take it as it is, we are not brainless idiots therefore we cant translate every work and connected it into racism. It is where it gets problematic.

As for the romantizied rape, the view of mangas and fanfiction can feed into oppressive and violent structure comes from movies. For example it is always portrayed that a psychopath read something off internet then they conducted the criminal act after. Is it a possibility? Perhaps. A very very small one, micro scale? Or below micro or not at all? However it is more complex than something like that. Is it what we READ that makes us a rapist? Then why doesnt it affect everyone who read it? Why isnt everyone a rapist?

Like I said before, adult and the enviornment we are in affect who we are. The place we grow up on. Its not what we READ that affect us. The person with abusive history, drug, alcohol etc is the most likely to conduct rape. Because that is the "picture" that they grow up on. It happens to a real person around them. It affect their brain and their way of thinking.. and rape is sadly a primal insinct that is surpressed within us. Adult is responsible for their action, we have to teach them that it has consequences. Therefore smart read is important, warn our younger generations that it is something wrong.

And again, im calling people as sensitive little bitch because when they see sensitive content they will attack the author and ban their work, even though they have been warned and there is a disclaimer written. And I am only calling people who do so.

True. My issue is that the comments does affect the author psychologically. It shows on the recent work of most creators. For example they change their plotline into lighter stories and predictable outcomes. They are afraid of the readers who bash them because of what they created in the past.

I think people today are more sensitive. Disclaimer is no longer enough. Everything turns into problem and it really is limiting people on what they do. I am fine with people who wants to voice their opinion but some people make the dumbest comment.

On the other hand, I am also glad. If people leave a comment expressing their concern it means they are sane enough to understand whats wrong and whats right.