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“Veteran fujos and baby fujos?” You gonna make me commit cyber bullying right now. Being a Fujoshi isn’t something to be proud of. The word literally translates to being rotten followed by fetishizing and obsessive behavior toward a Group whose still oppressed to this day. It’s cringe and an ignorant subculture and this is coming from a gay man.

What a generalization. Not everyone here is fetishizing gay men. I enjoy a variety of fiction including yaoi (more bl honestly because yaoi has some bad sterotypes that are disgusting) but I also enjoy straight romance and GL (girls love) I see your point, I'm bisexual myself and I seldom seeing men fetishizing lesbians and bisexuals. Most of us are just enjoying some

Stories, although some people take it way too far. Also, some gay guys actually like yaoi. They are called fudanshis. Not every yaoi is toxic or fetishizing. It's okay to not like a genre, but just keep that in mind

I suggest you don’t use the term itself cuz it’s a negative connotation and it has been always just like word Otaku. Fujoshi is a word structured around ignorance and negativity. I read boys love which also contains solid understanding of the real world but I don’t go around calling my self a fudanshi. I am not generalizing it’s how the subculture structured itself around that word like some self fulfilling prophecy

Ohh yeah same here I don't really call myself a fujoshi either because of the negative connotations. Glad we can agree. (⌒▽⌒)

You are innecesary rude, man!... Fetishising now is a buzzword, your defintion of the fujoshi term is wrong because is just "rotten girl" so, they like BL genre... It's all... It has nothing to do with real gay men... Women in Japan has been repressed by culture and society, to the point of denying their own bodies and the open expression of their sexuallity... It's part of a culture of inmaturity and repression... I read this in a subculture course at a Japanese university... I'd like to extend but my English sucks!
Please stop being disrespectful about a different cultural context than the western one, your are as prejudiced as the oppressive system.

You are not making any sense. First I am not being rude second what’s women being oppressed in japan have to do with fujo culture? Sexism is one subject and toxic subculture another . My definition is not wrong. People always like to pull oh you must be western and you don’t understand other cultures. I am Asian OK? I am crystal clear about society oppression. Just because women oppressed in Asian countries doesn’t justify the toxic fujo culture. They get as bad as the filthy Otaku culture in japan.

Yes, you really are rude because cyber bullyig and shamming are bad things always, you are prejudiced... Just look how you say "fillthy Otaku... A lot of these" otakus" are insecured girls and boys Who just want to feel part of a community... Same with fijos and fudans... Is all I have to say, Bye!

Oh boy you are funny. I am cyber bullying you? That’s actually meme if you didn’t know in my initial post but you don’t know apparently so don’t jump into a conclusion. No, stop trying to make fujo and the Otakus the Victims here. Have you gotten a closer look at the hentai culture yeah that’s part of Otaku culture keep that in mind. The amount of Misogyny is immense or fujos who likes to ship real people like they don’t have their own sexuality and it’s the REAL WORLD where LGBTQ members still being punished for their orientation but apparently they live in La la land. Fujo and the hentai Otakus diss each other by objectifying the opposite genders I have seen it happen so stop trying to make them look like the victims here and me being such a horrible and rude person cut the crap you are probably defending them cuz you are one. Otakus see women to be another specimen and fujos see men as another specimen and it’s an endless whirl of ignorance. Otakus and fujos have no excuse for their ignorance when there is a useful tool they can use to research called the internet in this modern world.

You don't know me, okay... How I said, my English is really bad and is really dificult to express in a better way... You're generalizing and that's bad... you don't know my gender, age, race, sexual orientation nor profession... You'd rather assume I'm just a dirty Otaku, hentai or fujo when I've never in my life ship real people.. Fiction isn't equal to reality for fuck sake!... BL isn't LGTBQ representation yet, of course... But that's can change
If you feel better about saying that all these Otaku or fujo people are ignorant, on a manga site, you have the freedom to do it, although you are rude, this's a fact!

You said it yourself, Fushoji means rotten girl in "JAPAN". But this word is directly created to girls who loves to read yaoi, because in Japan girls interested in men to men sex is rotten. And to be honest, most ASIAN countries too. Now, try telling that to open-minded countries.

GIRLS READING YAOI IS ROTTEN now do you get it what Nyxdellamorte is trying to tell you?

This is a form of oppression and same with the word Otaku; just because they love to read manga, more into electronics and does not have good social skills.

Clearly you just read your information randomly without any real life experience and bet in a conservative country or clique.

Otakus and Fujoshis are bullied just because they are different than the norm. If you don't know that, better search more.

And please... Otakus and Fujoshis get along just fine! Seen them fighting irl? Shhuuureeee....

Have you ever been in conventions? There are Otakus who don't mind reading yaoi and Fujoshis who don't mind Otaku's quirkiness, old Fujo's especially.

That is also why I can relate to the thread starter about new and old Fujos.

And if you think Otakus and Fujos negatively, then clearly you are new. (▰˘◡˘▰)

First I am the most liberal motherfucker you will ever find I am literally GAY and I have a plenty of real life experience dealing with all sort of society pressures and issues. second I am not new been in shit for as long as yaoi was still for niche audience. I have been reading manga since I was fucking fetus and you are clearly missing the point. Third, until this day I wouldn’t call myself a fujo for reading about two men falling in love there shouldn’t be a label for this type of thing It doesn’t make sense. Then shouldn’t the people who read straight love have label too? but the word is negative and those who call themselves fujo in japan are associated with ignorance now I already know some people would call themselves fujo and still is a sweetheart and doesn’t act upon toxic behavior but they shouldn’t call themselves that in first place because we don’t need a label like that. A lot of people in japan like anime but you don’t see them call themselves otakus. You don’t see Miyazaki calling himself that? There is difference between normal appreciation and toxic one in which a label is created for it. It was referred to women/men as basically “nasty for liking this gay shit.” Not only is it ignorant like that but also homophobic Also have u noticed that the gl fan base doesn’t have a label? That’s because they never let themselves associate with a label with so much ignorance and homosexual love among men is still more of a taboo than among women so this word is used as insult to began with. The form of oppression is when you call yourself that and think this is such a positive communicative word.

It looks like Nyxdellamorte blocked me so I can’t reply to them would be so nice and pass this message to them? Because they apparently closed their mind and jumped into conclusions.

“I only made some assumptions the way you exactly did now how does it feel? Exactly not good. You and the others are totally missing the points and maybe it is the language barrier I don’t know. I didn’t even call you “dirty Otaku” as you assumed. Every time I argue about problematic themes with in bl or even hentai. I get “ but this is fiction this isn’t real don’t take it so seriously.” We need decent representation because sometimes fiction reflect the real world in concepts ideas beliefs and experience and you said it yourself bl isn’t representative of the group it’s trying to portray and that’s just sad because I have been reading it for ages waiting for few works from here and there to spark joy that I have been waiting for regarding this type of genre in manga industry and anime in general. “

You don't even know that Yuri fans or the Equal of Fujoshi in Yuri is hime-joshi and the reason why Fujoshi is more oppressed because its a girl liking menxmen and is more bullied than womenxwomen which is kind of accepted in Japanese porn.

And you talking about positive this positive that when you yourself is full of negativity is so contradicting so keep telling yourself that. ^^

And spouting you being liberal but insulting Fujoshis and Otakus.

Yeah. Sure. Keep telling yourself that. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~

Oh please insulting fujo and Otaku? sure you are the one who is a oppressed here, not the group that gets misrepresented and fear their life everyday. You are the one who is hurt cuz I told you these words have negative connotations and it’s better if you like what you are doing without labeling yourself such as watching anime and reading bl manga. Are you that idiotic not to comprehend my point? Is your mind that closed? Also literally no one i seen use himejoshi but that is maybe due to my experience in the fanbase not to mention it translates to more rather positive meaning literally princess girl now compare that to ROTTEN GIRL. Ok now do you see the difference you said it yourself romance between men gets more shit then romance between girls and you see that in the anime and gaming media itself so why associate yourself with a word that stems out of ignorance and oppression itself?

dear I am not being negative here you are just not realizing what the word is packed with and all of it’s history full of social pressures.

Not to mention the word Otaku is even more negative in japan since it’s associated with crimes and criminal like the famous “Otaku serial killer” tsutomu Miyazaki. At times people who enjoy and like anime and manga like to avoid that word. On the contrary, the word was used as an insult especially in the 80s toward people who like manga and anime and were indeed bullied if people in school found out so the word is not viewed in a positive light. Japan doesn’t discriminate against people who enjoy anime or (even bl in some communities) as you can CLEARLY see that when you visit japan anime is much much celebrated there especially among the the younger people and mangakas are well respected and called “sensei” for that manner.