This is so wrong.

Honestly we can say the same about fanfics that Americans write. A lot of Americans write fanfics about gangs, being kidnapped, being raped, abusive relationship, abusive family members, incest relationships, ect. I don’t think it’s a problem for people to write or draw about stuff they fantasize about. Yes Japan do have a lot of problems especially when it comes to sexualizing children. But as long as they make about it then that better then them touching kids. This is just a book and most book are made for people with such disgusting kinks. But i rather them read books on topics like these then touch kids and ruin their innocence. Books are made for people fanasty. Would you rather pedos read books like these or go out on the street and touch kids?

I actually find it funny how some people are biased when it comes to Onne(Onii) x Loli(Shouta). Whether its cute or not, the principe behind it is the same(age gap). Some are fine with Onee(Onii)xShouta but find Onii(Onee)xLoli disgusting , thats just pure hypocrisy and bs.
For example here : http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/i_summoned_the_devil_to_grant_me_a_wish_but_i_married_her_instead_since_she_was_adorable_my_new_devil_wife/

i'd rather have neither of those options. it's not a take one, leave the other situation. we can try our best to prevent both. besides media like this is indulgence and can lead to the real physical crime.

yeah it's insane. it's like how people tend to believe that women can hit men but men can't hit women, when it's like- we shouldn't be harming each other in the first place?

Then instead of complaining about one genre we should complain about them all cause at the end of the day they’re all equally bad. But it wouldn’t end well since most people like manga like these or fanfics about gangs,kidnapping, and rape. I understand that it’s terrible but it’s just a book basically a fantasy. Yes it’s wrong but as long as people aren’t idiots and doing whatever they see in games or books then I believe it’s fine for people to enjoy whatever they like since it’s not my place to judge.

I do complain about all of these genres. To say that it's "just fiction" is ignorance to the fact that novels, movies, and the media have a lot of "fiction" but it continues to influence our opinion and outlook on things anyways. Having a "fiction" manga about a glorified pedophile just fantasizes the crime because it's quote on quote "cute". And to assume that people aren't idiots is debatable, especially since you admitted yourself that Japan had issues with sexualizing children. The fact that they're even creating comics like this proves their stupidity.

Yes, people are allowed to enjoy what they want, but not when it proves to be a toxic mentality and affect on the audience- especially younger and more oblivious readers. I have the right to judge them for their blatant ignorance on how heavy the topic weights. Fetishsizing children and romanticizing pedophilia treats victims as a joke.

My take on it at least.

" I have the right to judge them for their blatant ignorance on how heavy the topic weights." Isn't it heavy because people make it so?
Fetishsizing children and romanticizing pedophilia treats victims as a joke."
I wonder why no one say anything about war games and movies.

- people take the topic of peodphilia heavy because it has traumatized many victims
- the difference between war games and pedophilia portrayed in media is that war games/movies usually have the concept of survival (the pain of dying / the pain of losing loved ones in a movie / losing a teammate) or a fantasy aspect to it that creates a clear line between fiction and reality. mangas like these portray realism in their scenarios with "slice of life" and try to normalize these awful actions.

don't try reverse-justification on this, because it doesn't apply as well in the context. romanticized pedophilia is bad entirely- why try to justify it by saying that it isn't as criticized as other things?

Yes it’s bad but at the end of the day it’s just a book. People romanticized a lot of bad topics. But a book/manga is where they’re allowed to express their fantasy. Plus books like these sell well especially in Japan because of all the closet perverts. So sometimes people write books like these for the money.

You can judge people all you want for what they’re into, what they write or what they draw. But at the end of the day you can’t change their mind for liking whatever they like. Romanticizing a pedophilia is horrible just like how romanticizing a rapist with the victim is horrible but people often fantasize that they’re the one getting rape which is why they read stuff like this or read stuff that blantly got rape in it that doesn’t involve children.

At the end of the day i rather remind neutral about this. If reading books about pedophilia or rape enjoy people then that’s on them it’s has nothing to do with me. Because as long as they’re just reading it I don’t see a problem i would only see it as a problem if they act upon what they see in a book and do it to an innocent person or child.

This is why rated M games, shows and books like these aren’t banned because it’s not the book, show or games fault that the viewer does what they see or read. You can’t just go to court for doing a crime and blame it on a game, book or show.

Sorry for making you read such a long paragraph.

I'm no trying reverse-justification , I'm just telling that it the same for people who glorifie war game/movie. Holliwood war movies and all. And no war is more traumatic than rapeor pedophilia because it leave traume on both sides not on the victime side only.
If you really want something that will encourage people to glorie bad thing , in my example , you need to do something that will show the worst part of it, in my example here , war game(movies), there is this movie that'll make them think twice (movie title: Come and See).
In my knowling war game have already made victims (yeah some dumb people killed in real life because of their beleif on war game).

"fantasy aspect to it that creates a clear line between fiction and reality. mangas like these portray realism in their scenarios with "slice of life" and try to normalize these awful actions" I can say the same thing about this book.

If you wan to condamn thing that may incite people to do "bad" in rl you need to condamn all of them ,not just those that you don't like or find wrong.

Okay so I'm getting your point, and I agree that it's nothing wrong if they understand they shouldn't apply this to real life. But in my opinion, it's still not justified to allow pedophilia to be innocently shown- fiction or not. A lot of the violent and mature shows you watch often contain a message- hell even KS has a big moral in it despite containing rape, stockholm syndrome and trauma- because it doesn't attempt to romanticize it.

All I'm saying is that series like this shouldn't exist because it can be the reason or encouragement for the real thing- and if not, why try to humanize it? How would this make a victim feel? You actually could go to court and ban this book though- because it could essentially be propaganda to the people.

I don't understand what you're trying to say. The point still stands that this manga is a "slice of life" and has "realism" to it. Most war games have a story background of tragedy and an understanding to survive, you understand pain and death, which because of this, most players don't attempt to go to war. And the difference between a war and pedophilia is that war is usually caused by political conflicts- not war games. Pedophilia is caused by mental instability which is indulged by reading mangas like these which make the crime seem okay.

Anything can be bad anyways if you look at it the right way. A pot is usually used to hold something- but it can be a weapon when necessary- so should we stop making pots? No. Your reasoning essentially says to eliminate everything on earth.

If a book is a reason why people feel like it okay to rape children then that utterly idiotic.

And read the tags before you read a book on this website. I always read the tags so I won’t read specific books that have subjects in it that I don’t like. Reading the tags before reading the story is very helpful especially if you’re a victim or you’re easily trigger.

Plus you really can’t ban this book. You can report the website but not the book. This book was illegally translated on an illegal website so if people really did try to take this book to court they wouldn’t win since I believe this book isn’t legally translated so there only a japanese paperback copies of this book. I guess if anything they could just have this website taken down if they come across books that triggers them but if they did do that then they would be ruining it for everyone since mangago is basically the only good manga website a lot of people knows.

Fiction has its toll on us. It can affect your mindset and how you treat yourself and others.

Tags is not the argument here. It's the fact that romanticized pedophilia shouldn't be allowed in the first place. Trigger warning are usually there for mature and sensitive topics, but the story doesn't romanticize or humanize it- it merely portrays it in a realistic manner and presents the wrongdoings of the action.

If this was a paper publishing book, it can be banned. Many novels and comics with a similar plot like this have been banned in America because it has a negative influence on the people. While japan may think it's cute to lewd children and minors, other countries heavily disagree and censor these kind of things from the media.

Fiction has it’s troll on weak minded people. If you can’t handle reading fiction then simply don’t read it at all. There isn’t any law that says people isn’t allowed to write fictional stories just because weak minded people like to act based on what they read.

Actually tags is part of the argument cause if you read the tags you can see that some of them says “age gap” “lolicon” “older lady x child” so if you see that then you will instantly know what or at least part of what the story is about and will be able to avoid it. As far as the warning signs go that entirely the website fault not the book fault. They should have put a warning sign on it like how they usually would do for explicit manga.

That the point. Not every country or everyone is gonna think alike. In Japan comics like these is what they call normal. While it isn’t normal for other countries. Just like having more then one wife isn’t normal or basically illegal in America it isn’t illegal in other countries. Plus even if you get books banned people is always gonna find a way to go around it.

Now i think we can agree that we might as well just agree to disagree cause we aren’t gonna agree with each other on this as we have different opinions and views but it was nice have this debate with you lol.

Yeah I'm just gonna agree to disagree. But it's awful calling them "weak minded people". Fiction has a bigger toll on people than you think, especially the young and desperate. I just feel sorrow for the victims of pedophilia and child pornography when their situation is being painted over with cutesy manga characters. It's devastating to know that a similar situation that you have gone through is being twisted into "comedy". But I guess I can't judge the cultural difference between the west and Japan. But I will be shady that Japan has some of the worst social issues when it comes to this topic.

Not really young. It’s depends on how they was raised and the environment they’re surrounded by. I know a 9 year old who reads all kinds of fiction books but doesn’t do what they see in books we have to give younger audiences/ readers more credit since not a lot of young readers are impressable while others are. Sorry that you think it’s awful to call them weak minded people but that exactly how i see it. Fiction doesn’t have a troll on everyone. It’s kinda spilt in have 37% of people who read Fiction are emotionless and doesn’t put themselves in the mc position. While 40% of people have a lot of triggers and goes off on the smallest issue or they would sympathized with character in the story and putting themselves in their shoes. And lastly the 22% would be basically a half of each. It’s not bad to sympathize with characters in a book but just don’t overthink it and believe they’re real people like a lot of readers do.

Yeah they really do have the worst social issues when it comes to this topic. Im not surprised since there legal age where they can have sexual relationship with someone older or near their age is 13. So Japan is basically pedophile paradise. But that’s basically all we can do is judge and complain we can’t change their laws like we could in America since they’re different nations

oh when i meant young and desperate i was referring to their mental age. also where did you get those percentages though? anyways the point is that if we justify mangas like these that normalize pedophilia, then we ourselves are also normalizing it because we accept media like this to be created- media that holds no social justice or respect towards the real world issue. and i do feel this way about other works that portray war, rape, and suicide in an insensitive and romanticized manner.

to be fair the age of consent is 13 but the law is deflected by other rules that prevent child exploitation and prostitution. most people don't think it's okay to sexualize minors or harass others, but the problem is that they're afraid to speak up about it since it's usually put off as normal by works that they read and how often these occurrences happen. a lot of rape victims- minors and adults- usually never file a report because of their fear of being judged in japan.

also to add to the pedophilia issue. many japanese departments have tried their best to ban the sexualization of minors and child-like characters in manga and the media. but the politicians are trying to deflect the ban because of "freedom of speech" but it's most likely the fear of an uprising beginning and own government corruption. the government banning media like this could lead to propaganda about how the government doesn't believe in the right of speech. but despite that many cities have tried their best to prevent the publication and selling of these works of fiction because it really has started a huge fetish trend in Japan.

Here's a link that summarizes it better than I can.
https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/19/world/asia/japan-bans-possession-of-child-pornography-after-years-of-pressure.html?auth=login-google