You did not mention chanwoo yes that maybe so, but you had him in mind no?
Ugh, fine. Childish...
Chanwoo rejects md - they agreed not to be romantic in the first place
Gets bf knowing how md feels - so? You’re never required to return unrequited feelings. Also, see above. And he introduced him to md out of respect for their “bdsm” relationship.
Md wants different sub - no he doesn’t. He’s stated multiple times that “chanwoo is the only one” for him. He’s never expressed wanting a different sub.
Chanwoo doesn’t want him to leave - uh, yeah. Md gives him an ultimatum but he still respects md and values his relationship w him. He doesn’t want to lose that.
Chanwoo agrees - yes, under the expectation that if he doesn’t agree md will refuse to see him again. Md is holding their relationship over chanwoo’s head as bait for going into the “play”. Coercion = forced persuasion under a threat. The threat is the ending of their relationship.
Got it? Is that good enough for you? That I literally spelled out everything for your “points” which make no sense?
Not necessarily no, I'm talking about MD, and coercion in general.
Op fled, and so should you lol
MD told chanwoo “let’s stop being fuck buddies” because he wanted to date chanwoo, so chanwoo rejects MD and MD doesn’t contact chanwoo for a while. Now if it was for “revenge” am pretty sure MD would have done something in that while they didn’t come in contact. But in the end chanwoo went and contacted MD by himself in attempt to introduce his boyfriend.
And he literally jumped to sex the guy just a few moment before the thing with MD. So yea MD saw an opportunity to make chanwoo stop playing with fire and used that chance. And now chanwoo got burned and has not only learned to put a limit on himself but to also use the safe word and voice his opinions. That is what I think MD was after.
Is it really not? Are u telling me it’s perfectly normal to like pain or to even take pleasure from inflicting it on a person. Cuz idk how their pain glands work but oh well and even if u tell me to whip u and use candle or whatever am sorry but I don’t think I would be able to do that. Let’s face the truth bdsm Is pretty messed up. But that is not to say because they are not normal they are the scum of the earth. It’s enjoy what u enjoy.
Huh? Did we not read the same thing?? MD told let's stop being fuckbuddies. Chanwoo said no, because he has a right to not want an exclusive romantic relationship. Then they literally..... Did a scene together.... You make it seem like MD ended things with chanwoo straight up after his rejection, and that is not the case. After MD stop being in contact with Chanwoo, Chan just... Found another potential friend? And what right does MD has to "find opportunities to make him stop play with fire" (having sex with other people)? Also yes you might be correct on the safeword use part but it still doesn't make it ok at all.
So the best method to teach victim of abuse a lesson...is by putting them through another extremely traumatic experience? Which can totally end in serious breakdown and backfired? MD isn't classified psychologist that's a , b never ever you just throw someone in a deep water.... Who MD is to teach Chanwoo a lesson. Who gave him that right?
Also these smirks ( in restaurant and while kissing) show he had some grudge... The same while strangling Chanwoo.
You can't enter play with personal feelings and ulterior motives...
Well... Let's not get too real on this but yes, pain is exciting for a lot of people and it doesn't even have too include being submissive. A lot of doms enjoy pain as well. But again let's not get too graphic on this lmao
Soooo never once in your life did you try to make someone jealous? And force the safe word?? Chanwoo who on the brink of death didn’t even say the save word and I am to believe MD forced the safe word....am sorry but I don’t follow.
Chan admitted his limit and so used the safe word which is good because he finally admitted to his limit. MD did his thing chanwoo got jealous and used the safe word on his own which is lesson learned if I may conclude
Even if I did it doesn't make it ok? And yeah, that's exactly the point. Thanks for putting it into words yourself, forcing the safe word out of someone by trying the most fucked up things such as strangling him and put on "the brink of death" and psychologically playing with his emotions.
Also, do not tell me that making someone jealous for some small stuff, and making someone jealous in an actual bdsm, degrading scene is the same.
Me saying MD wanted a new sub was a way for me to narrate the story and how it looks on the outside. Since u guys love to only see what’s being shown and never look past it. Yes chanwoo is not obligated to return MD feelings but let’s not forget
Md said “let’s not be fuck buddies” cuz he wanted to date chanwoo and didn’t contact him for a while. But chanwoo went to contact him again. And this is not out of respect, he literally didn’t have anything along the line of “let me introduce him to MD out of respect” he wanted to keep the guy and keep MD. Like oh let me have me a boyfriend and then have me another person on the side has feelings for me to release my pent up fetish. Makes no sense
If your romantic parner doesn't have a problem with you engaging in BDSM play with other people... what's the problem? Many people don't want to mix these two because one can impact the other.
Funny how you keep ignoring that entire sexual scene between the confession and the part where he didn't contact him.
Exactly. You can desire a bdsm relationship without love and a romantic relationship without bdsm. Shocking, but thats actually something do a LOT in the bdsm community.
You call it “potential friend” someone he literally was calling his type and started dating in like a day and even wanted to have sex with him so fast u call the person “potent friend” that’s funny.
And as for the part of “what right do Md have to make him stop playing with fire” now let me ask u if the story progressed in the way that MD let’s chanwoo go, and sees him with other guys and chanwoo with bruises all over and on some alley way they find chanwoo dead wont u guys be the same people that would go around saying “MD knew chanwoo was getting abusive and still let chanwoo go, and he didn’t even say anything when he saw him with those scumbag guys” wouldn’t u say that?
Ahahahaah that’s funny cuz u say it like u could just walk up to chanwoo and say “chanwoo let’s stop seeing these scumbags now. Why don’t we look for better people” and chanwoo would go “ooohh yes you are very right, let’s go” let’s face it Chan has a hard head personality and he wouldn’t listen to normal reasoning. And I wouldn’t pass it off as he is a victim cuz he knows his limits and won’t say anything cuz of his “pride” in which case he is at fault here.
He should talk with him, advise participating in therapy ..... Not this.
For me it's a case by case basis. I don't find MD and daddy. So I can confidently say, his looks have nothing to do with how I feel about this particular situation. I dislike it when people judge situation by their own standards. Your own standards means nothing in this relationship. And in all honestly, the way they are handling this, suits them. The slap was a bit much for, but this is a bsdm relationship and all of those relationships are personal and different. And I don't really feel like MD went to far. He treated his sub like he treated all his other subs he didn't care about so he can know the difference. Ya'll are all trippin. This isn't a cup a tea relationship for me but that's why I am not in it. Just saying