I have no words and strength.
Just no.
i agree, its totally fine to give your opinion
You seriously are comparing insensitivity, although I ask again so Chanwoo should lie and hide his relationship in front of MD; to manipulation and abuse?
Consent impacted by conditions is no consent at all.
His method realistically would most likely end up in complete breakdown. He is not qualified psychologistz he is not god, he can't control someone, his thoughts and actions. It could have completely backfired.
totally agree
No backlash from me cause you were right and I am in an agreement with you.
oh you're just spouting b.s. "consent", "hide his relationship" ? Are we talking about that same thing here? You sound like you're saying Chanwoo was forced in tbis situation?
"psychologistz" is not a word nor does it have anything to do with this.
No but MD did say to leave if he doesn’t want this, Chanwoo coming at him with the new guy isn’t even in his control? He also stopped when Chanwoo said the safe word
Psychologist* sorry for my autocorrector.
He was coerced in the situation. Many people made very good post about that.
agreed!
i agree w u. and u brought up proof.
You people seriously don't get that.
1. Chanwoo is a victim of long abuse. 2. In strangle scene it was clearly shown he has problems with boundaries. 3. You can't put conditions on BDSM play and consent, it's no full consent then if it is impacted by threat. 4. Chanwoo was just rejected by his new bs, who betrayed him and used him and then just after that MD threatened him saying that he wi abandoned him too if he won't participate in the play. He took advantage of his state and weaknesses.
New bf* he will*
Ok back up for a moment. Most of the points you made are true, but to one point. We feel like Chan Woo had a choice on the matter, but did he truly? He was an emotional wreck after he realized his comfort sex partner will be lost and his potential romantic partner was lying to all along. It was too much of a sudden burden for his mind. He got confused. Now he needed some one to comfort him and he feels like it's the right time to fight for what belonged to him. That's why he went along with this plan.
It was MD who made this scenario, even though it was a coincidence to find out the lying asshole was his ex sub. From there on, everything happened was partially the ex's and mostly MD's doing. Chan Woo's lack of emotional stability was dragged through by MD's manipulation.
But then you were only relating it to your opinion especially about the boundary, what Chanwoo and MD had was a contract of BDSM agreement, what you are pointing out is Chanwoo has set a boundary for himself. I’m not justifying MD’s actions but Chanwoo has already rejected MD before when MD asked him to be his true boyfriend. Clearly none of the things they did was consent even with MD because he too fell for Chanwoo and suddenly shoved by the whole “im dating someone means i dont need u for play partner anymore” scene it’s just as if you are talking like Chanwoo isn’t capable of setting up his mind because he could have done it when he and that lying guy went to MD.
I feel like we are never going to view this matter the same way so i’m jus gonna stop here.
Regarless, you're still twisting facts and making stuff up. He wasn't "coerced". Chanwoo is a grown man capableof making his own decision. MD literally told him he could leave. "Many people made very good post about that", aren't you and those "many" people delusional? I mean anyone can see when someone is being forced or deceived in a situation a mile away. Why must y'all twist things up just for the sick of nonesense. Tbh, I'm trying to understand your "argument" but I can't seem to get it. Not one of your point make sense. You're just saying whatever comes to mind without any logical facts or supports.
What is hard to understand in: consent impacted by conditions and threats is not consent. It's coercio .
I agree 100%. It is a bad thing when we project our own situations or memories and twist it as we like and interpret it through these filters
I'm just saying that MD took advantage of guy who was in fragile state after being used and rejected by the guy. And he knew that Chanwoo was abused by ex bfs. So he should take that in consideration. But he coerced him into the play that Chanwoo didn't want to participate in because of conditions. He was rejected and now MD was threatening him that if he won't agree to play then he is being abandoned by him too. And then he made him touch the guy who just used him. And he knew that Chanwoo is super uncomfortable with all of that and is doing it only because of conditions.
BDSM doesn't work like that. It's about pleasure and satisfaction of both parties, safety and full consent.
Chanwoo literally said be wants to maintain his relationship with MD -bdsm- professional one... And have a romantic one with his bf. He didn't want to mix these two things. Also his bf pressured him to meet MD. And on the other hand Chanwoo should hide and lie about his relationship in front of MD? That would be better option?
Consent which is impacted by threat and condition isn't consent...
Coercion*
I'm gonna rant for a minute, I'll most likely get a backlash for this. But, I have to get some stuff off my chest...
So y'all wanna give MD shit for turning this situation to what it's come to, but how was Chanwoo's actions were okay? You can't have your cake and eat it too. The double standards in the yaoi fandom is just so incredulous...mind-fucking-blowing! It's delusional to say the least.
Chanwoo was wrong and so was MD! But, neither is worst than the other. And stop saying, "they could've just talked it out"...
Well this is my reaction: "bitch please~" *rolls my eyes, flips my non-existent long hair, and sway my ass out the room like a diva*
Didn't MD TRY talking to Chanwoo about "this"? Whatever "this" was? He confessed his feelings and asked that they took their relationships to a more serious level. http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/ibx_chapter-86/pg-8/ He rejected MD, not only THAT but went back to his fishing pool for more douchebags - WHICH he had no trouble finding http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/ibx_chapter-89/pg-37/
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/bj_alex/uu/ibx_chapter-89/pg-38/
Personally, I don't think there was anything ELSE MD could've have done. Was he supposed to keep begging Chanwoo to return his feelings with no dignity? Let the man have his pride.
Also, Chanwoo HAD a CHOICE. No one forced him to stay there and continued on with this circus. He could've walked out, and leave this whole thing behind. But he stayed, because he was jealous and deep down he wanted to prove that he was better than what's-his-name-new-douchebag. He's an adult, he made his choice. It was a BDSM play. The only difference this time is that he had to compete against the same shit who played him. His feelings got hurt and this situation (regardless how bad it was) forced him to realize that he might care for MD more than he thought.
MD went too far? Maybe. But the method was effective. Chanwoo needed to learn a lesson. He takes good man for granted and always runs towards shitty dudes who treated him like shit. Seeing MD kiss another man, really pushed him over the edge to face his feelings which made him use the safe word which we've NEVER seen him use.
Oof I'm done lol!