I guarantee you that you can’t win this argument

juuulya May 24, 2020 7:47 pm

I’m tired of commenting on everyone else posts, so I’ll make my own. I’ll go through ever point I’ve seen, and explain why it’s incorrect. Match your point to mine to see an explanation.

“They’ve played multiple times before and did worse”
Yes, but consent does not carry. Especially in bdsm. Just because someone agreed once before, does not give their partner the right to their body indefinitely. In real bdsm, each play is discussed beforehand and is approved on by both parties. Clearly this didn’t happen, because chanwoo was shocked at md’s instructions.

“It’s bdsm they can be hit”
No. Bdsm is consensual, and chanwoo did not and can not consent.

“Why can’t he consent?”
He is shown several times to be mentally and emotionally incapable. Md choked him to see if he was capable of saying the safeword. It was confirmed that he couldn’t when he did not say it. Chanwoo is shown with a bruised face and repeatedly brushes off concern with “I’m fine”.

“He knows how md feels but he goes to the other guy anyways”
A person is never, ever obligated to return someone’s unrequited feelings. After md confessed, chanwoo politely refused And wished to keep a casual bdsm relationship. Because they stated beforehand that they want their bdsm and romantic lives separate, md’s feelings do not belong in their plays.

“How is he being manipulated? This is unrelated to their plays”
Yes, personal feelings should be left out of bdsm. MD knows that, but he puts them there anyways. Md also knows that chanwoo values him as a bdsm partner and as a friend, so when chanwoo attempted to introduce md to his boyfriend and he clearly was upset, no plays should’ve been initiated until md could cool down his feelings. Chanwoo was given an ultimatum, in that he either participate in the play or never communicate with md again. He fears losing md, so he agrees despite clearly not wanting to. This is coercion, and a coerced person cannot consent.

“Md is upset because chanwoo hurt his feelings so that’s why he hit him like that”
Again, unrequited feelings are never obligated to be returned, and personal feelings have no place in a casual bdsm relationship. Yes this hurt his feelings, but hurt feelings are never an excuse to coerce or hurt another person.

“He deserves it”
No one deserves abuse. Ever.

“How is it abuse”
It is abuse because he cannot consent. No consent = abuse/rape.

“I’ve been in a bdsm relationship that had plays exactly like this and I’m fine”
I’m sorry you’ve been abused before, but you should not use it as leverage to excuse other abuse.

“It’s just fiction why are you mad”
I, and many others, are mad because this abuse is being disguised as bdsm. This is harmful to the bdsm community, because it puts us in a bad light, and relates us to abusers. We are only attempting to keep our community’s image clear.

Responses
    YaoiLover24 May 25, 2020 12:00 am
    facts and people are saying that MD is tryna make Chanwoo say the safe words .. but what if he never does ? are they still gonna say that he doing that to make him say it? its a better idea to talk things out o... jumin han is gay

    Also why would you hurt your loved one in order to make him learn to not get hurt? It doesn't make sense! MD is the same If not worse than the exes. At least they were honest pieces of shit not hiding behind BDSM.

    jumin han is gay May 25, 2020 12:01 am
    Oh stop ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ thank you. I’m actually a criminology grad specializing in sex crimes, which is where my passion comes from, I guess haha well, and I’m a fan of bdsm. As fans,... juuulya

    i like how theres alot of supporter of MD, and alot of people dsrespecting Chanwoo and saying thats what he gets? WTF some people are dumb and sick, like i bet if they were in Chanwoo position its a different position, and then people switch up after they hear the full story

    YaoiLover24 May 25, 2020 12:04 am
    I’ll admit, I also forgot about how problematic their start was until recently. I’ll even admit that I was willing to let that go as a simple mistake. But mistakes aren’t made several times over with esca... juuulya

    Why did we ever think that MD was an experienced compassionate Dom? I guess we were all blinded by the smut! Shame on us ( ̄∇ ̄")

    jumin han is gay May 25, 2020 12:05 am
    Also why would you hurt your loved one in order to make him learn to not get hurt? It doesn't make sense! MD is the same If not worse than the exes. At least they were honest pieces of shit not hiding behind B... YaoiLover24

    bra exactly, its making the victim more traumatized, the best way to do it is getting therapy and talk shit out if he keeps doing whats hes doing shits gonna get dangerous

    YaoiLover24 May 25, 2020 12:12 am

    My replies never went through for some reason.

    @juuulya why did we ever think that MD was a compassionate experienced Dom? We were obviously blinded by the smut! Shame on us ( ̄∇ ̄")

    @juminhanisgay I don't get how people think it's okay to intentionally hurt a person in order to show them your affection! "Oh let me hurt you in order to teach you, you should not let other people hurt you". Make it make sense! This is so wrong.

    MD is just as bad as his exes if not worse! At least they didn't hide their toxic abusive behaviour behind the BDSM cover. They were honest pieces of trash!

    juuulya May 25, 2020 12:13 am
    Why did we ever think that MD was an experienced compassionate Dom? I guess we were all blinded by the smut! Shame on us ( ̄∇ ̄") YaoiLover24

    This tho ┗( T﹏T )┛ I’m sorry I didn’t notice sooner

    juuulya May 25, 2020 12:14 am
    My replies never went through for some reason.@juuulya why did we ever think that MD was a compassionate experienced Dom? We were obviously blinded by the smut! Shame on us ( ̄∇ ̄")@juminhanisgay I don't ge... YaoiLover24

    Yeah I’ve been having a lot of connection issues lately. Like, getting the “host not responding” error. Might be due to high web traffic, or something

    YaoiLover24 May 25, 2020 12:16 am
    Yeah I’ve been having a lot of connection issues lately. Like, getting the “host not responding” error. Might be due to high web traffic, or something juuulya

    Perhaps, sorry if my replies went through 5 times hahaha

    YaoiLover24 May 25, 2020 12:17 am
    This tho ┗( T﹏T )┛ I’m sorry I didn’t notice sooner juuulya

    Don't worry, we were all fooled by the pretty art and yummy smut! We will be wiser going forward!

    jumin han is gay May 25, 2020 12:36 am
    Don't worry, we were all fooled by the pretty art and yummy smut! We will be wiser going forward! YaoiLover24

    i remember i commented my opinion on insta and this girl said Chanwoo doesnt have the right to get jealous since he rejcted MD bt chanwoo doesnt even look mad about that he look more mad cause he got HUmiliated and another girl said if he wanted it to stop he couldve said it but ion think they understand and she said love and abuse doesnt matter in the abuse settings and they said i was speaking nonsense since i said there 2 different things. like are you serious?

    YaoiLover24 May 25, 2020 12:45 am
    i remember i commented my opinion on insta and this girl said Chanwoo doesnt have the right to get jealous since he rejcted MD bt chanwoo doesnt even look mad about that he look more mad cause he got HUmiliated... jumin han is gay

    You can't change stupid people's minds ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭
    Don't waste your energy!

    jumin han is gay May 25, 2020 12:52 am
    You can't change stupid people's minds ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭Don't waste your energy! YaoiLover24

    thank youu

    juuulya May 25, 2020 1:16 am

    It looks like most of the people commenting are understanding now. Phew~

    juuulya May 25, 2020 1:45 am

    Still no arguer? Huh, almost as if there isn’t a valid argument to be made......

    kian May 25, 2020 1:52 am

    I wish I could give you so much more likes, haha. thank you for making this post and for having some compassion and common sense. I hope chanwoo will be okay in the end..

    juuulya May 25, 2020 2:01 am
    I wish I could give you so much more likes, haha. thank you for making this post and for having some compassion and common sense. I hope chanwoo will be okay in the end.. kian

    Thank you! And it’s You and me both, friend. Hopefully he gets some professional help and moves on from the abuse into a healthy relationship. We probably won’t get that ending, but we can wish ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭

    RecessiveGene May 25, 2020 5:00 am
    Thank you! And it’s You and me both, friend. Hopefully he gets some professional help and moves on from the abuse into a healthy relationship. We probably won’t get that ending, but we can wish ╮( ̄▽�... juuulya

    please reply with your god tier quote to some bitches who still feel that Chanwoo deserves it, cause It’s freaking hilarious HAHAHAH

    Clara May 25, 2020 6:12 am

    I LOVE YOUUUUU, I WANNA SHOUT THIS FROM THE MOUNTAINTOPS

    LightofYagami May 25, 2020 7:06 am

    Thank you so much for exampleing bdsm relationships and how they work I have always wondered about is but couldn't grasp what it really was. I was also upset when Md hit Chanwoo I actually could not read the chapter full because of it.

    YaoiLover24 May 25, 2020 7:12 am
    Still no arguer? Huh, almost as if there isn’t a valid argument to be made...... juuulya

    I just had someone tell me I'm wrong for saying this couple has crossed the line. They like bdsm so it's mean of me to judge them. Like WHAT?

    If you like something you are incapable of having a brain I guess ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭