ahaha I see that. I admire your patience with them bc I for sure dont have the bandwidth to entertain their shitty logic for even a second *le sigh* anyways, you think the author will turn this around? I wonder how many chapters are left in this story
Lmao saying “it’s ok cuz it’s bdsm” is not an argument and repeating it doesn’t make it valid either. You’ve stated that you don’t have proper knowledge on bdsm so really wtf do you even know?
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Victims return to abusers because it’s a pattern and they’re conditioned too. Typically an experienced Dom/prodomme will be able to recognise this self destructive behaviour. Not only was md sold to us as being a pro but he saw the abuse himself and yet he still chose this route despite seeing how distraught Chanwoo is.
Couldn’t have said it better.
This is my last comment to u all-
I just wanna say I can’t jump the gun yet and call MD abusive because so far what I’ve seen from MD is that:
1. He REPEATEDLY tells chanwoo over and over again “are you okay chanwoo? It’s okay to use the safe word you know”
2. He takes proper care of chanwoo after their play (and abusive person would literally just leave him like that)
3. He took proper care of chanwoo when he was actually abused
4. Please don’t call it rape yet cuz the deed has yet to happen just cuz they said it would doesn’t mean it will. Let’s just await the next chapters”
- the forced kiss was sexual assault not abuse, know the difference.
5. Am chanwoo obviously clearly needs something strong to learn his lessons cuz um his past experiences aren’t doing their thing.
6. I can’t call this toxic just cuz of one slap, I mean it’s like my brother smacks me for sneaking out the house at night or breaking his ps4 and I go around calling him toxic and abusive. (Is that didn’t make sense I tried )
7. If chanwoo gets therapy as some are saying bdsm won’t be his pleasure anymore and the story would wander too far from the plot, also I think chanwoo knows he is getting abuse he’s just being stubborn and holding is pride or whatever he said b4
8. If chanwoo was slapped during their play I could bet you everyone would be like “oh well it’s their play” I mean come on guys.
That’s all see ya next chapter
Xielian_inlove
You stop shooting replies please. And stop ur disrespectful ass cuz no one was being disrespectful until u came along. U saw my name so many times cuz people like ur headass replied me so many times. Am pretty sure am not the only one here that appeared a lot. If u see me several comment thread that means I obviously commented there too and so u too need to shut the fuck up. If anything ur the young and immature one. I wasn’t texting u neither do I care about u so please don’t bother blocking me. U just don’t have the guts to face someone with different opinions otherwise u wouldn’t block someone who didn’t even know u existed :)
This will be my last comment on this thread then too:
1. Abusers can be extremely manipulative and can gaslight a few kind words doesn’t mean it didn’t happen.
2. Aftercare is a necessity in bdsm not a luxury
3. He did then but what about now? How is he different and no saying “it’s bdsm” isn’t a valid.
4. Sexual assault is an umbrella term that includes rape so you’re the one who needs to learn the difference. Like seriously google it. Also like I stated to you twice already, I was referring to the future direction this was heading hence why I prefaced it with “if”.
5. Slapping a victim of abuse is your answer to curing him? What even.
6. No one cares about your brother to use your own words “it’s apples and oranges” since your experiences aren’t even remotely the same.
7. I think it would actually be a healthy character development for them both.
8. CONSENT.
Can you please answer to what I said. Because none of these points really answer my questions to you. But I will add to that I do not believe MD is abusive, he is just irresponsible. But again, please read what I had to say.
Oh and one more thing. Thank you to everyone who actually took the time to form a constructive conversation about this chapter, bdsm, abuse and survivors. :)
Couldn't have said it better myself <3 wish I could give likes to replies
Well I didn’t see any questions (Except one) directed at me all I saw were carefully stated opinions, so am not sure what am answering exactly. The other question I saw seemed like u weren’t asking it to get answers but rather to prove ur point.
But if it was my reply u were looking for here it is:
I understand your point of view and it makes sense and I see how u think. However I already said before in one of my comments and like you also stated “chanwoo knows what bdsm is, he knows how far it gets but still agreed to do it” So I don’t see the point you were trying to make to me when u stated that
And when I said learn, I didn’t mean learn what bdsm mean I meant learn how to say no and also to stop jumping to follow just any guy. This event that’s happening right now could serve as a lesson. A child would not stop playing with fire until they get burned and learn that that flaming red thing is not something to touch and play with. Now then if the kid only feels the heat of the flames they would keep on playing with the fire. This is the same type of situation.
Tbh I think people are just attacking me cuz the way I said things make it sounds like am dissing chanwoo and so they are trying to defend the character they support thereby missing my point. But am not dissing any character am just saying how I perceived things and that chanwoo needs to learn when to stop
We will all know in the next coming chapters if MD is abusive or not or where this is going, if the author wants MD abusive so he will be, if not then he will not be. if this relationship really turns toxic or not, and let’s see whose point made more sense. So until then. Bye
You’re commenting multiple times incorrectly about BDSM. When your sub says “No” YOU STOP, it’s no continuing or that’s no longer play, it’s rape. Having consent is still pretty prevalent, I’m a DOM and you’re disgracing bdsm by excusing rapists. Rules are a BIG part of it.
Chan never said stop or the safe word, so it isn't rape right now! read the chapter again, he agree to stay.
Ahem ahem to everyone in this thread I just wanted to say I TOLD Y’ALL SOOOOOO. Md wasn’t being abusive he was trying to make chawoo learn how to use the dang safe word. And like I said b4 chanwoo is like a kid playing with fire if he doesn’t get burned He’s not gonna learn that fire is not a toy. And now MD deliberately played as the fire to help chanwoo learn cuz he would have gotten into a bigger shit than that if he was left alone.
Oh I didn’t see ur comment b4 but Chan never said no now did he?
Okay, so people have been saying that MD and Chanwoo's relationship is beginning to be toxic and unhealthy. Dude, it's BDSM, a 'simple slap' isn't enough to faze something into considering the idea of a toxic relationship. Why bother reading a story about BDSM when you can't even stand a single slap from a seme to his uke?
Also, MD and Chanwoo doesn't even have a proper relationship yet. I say he's only being professional on being a DOM and he only slapped him because Chanwoo decided to disobey his order. That's what DOMs do to their SUBs. I don't mean to sound rude but, some of the readers here are a bit ignorant of BDSM. Seriously, it's not like he forced Chanwoo to obey his orders. He said it himself, "If you don't want to do it, you can leave". But, Chanwoo decided to stay so he's willing to obey him.
If you can still remember, there was this one chapter where MD punished Chanwoo—I think it was in chapter 20 to 30, I'm not sure—, and at that time, Chanwoo didn't give MD the consent to punish him. He uses some type of whip to hit his body at different areas.
My point here is, what's the difference of that scenario to what happened in the latest chapter, where MD slapped Chanwoo? And if there is a difference, it's still BDSM, a slap is normal in that field. Heck, there are even more things that is worse than a slap and y'all are getting so worked up about it.
Also, this is not trying to romanticed the both of them. I'm sure it will all work out in the next chapter.
If you want an example of a 'real toxic relationship', try reading Killing Stalking. That's the perfect example of an unhealthy relationship.
PS: This is just my view with regards to the happenings in the latest chapter. Feel free to agree and disagree.