Clearly you don’t know anything. Consent is universal it doesn’t change from one practice to the next. And at the end of the day even going by your logic, he did not give consent to the guy ONLY to MD. smh.
so just because theres a label, it makes it okay to slap people? just using the term bdsm makes it okay to slap your partner? i see no difference with all his exes that would smack him in the face.
Okay he consented which means he has to consent with MD’s requests which mean kissing the guy is still him consenting. Am pretty sure Dom and Sub is about DOMINATING a person. And am pretty sure in bdsm 85% of the time the sub says “no” that’s why the Dom has to exert DOMINANCE over them. So like I said am not a fan of bdsm but ik this much. Common morals and rules don’t apply here. So yes I do know something :)
girl, he was forced to do kiss AND mate with someone. if you can't see this as rape then I am done. you want to be technical on terms, but I stand on my opinion that that is no longer consensual, he may have agreed initially about at the start of the "test" but he does not know it entails 2 subs mating.
If you are cornering a person to agree that is no longer consensual
Lmao is your knowledge of bdsm from pornhub? And no 85% is not even a close estimate, consent is very explicit in bdsm and the only time that line of communication becomes blurred is in Tamer/brat relationships which from personal experience aren’t as common as people believe. Bdsm is not about glamorising violence or abuse. Pls educate yourself further before speaking for the community.
Butttttt I just wanna know why the other tortures md gave him was not put down like this one. Tbh I just think it’s the situation that’s making u guys see it as abuse. I mean think about it if it was during their “plays” and MD smacked chanwoo no one would say anything they would just be like “well it’s their “play” we can’t say anything. And yea pretty much in the name of Bdsm anything is allowed cuz bdsm is all about “command I obey, and if I don’t then punish me” That why u see choking and whipping and smacking and whatnot.
Hmm... The more I read this thread, the problem becomes more about the separation of fiction and reality and how BDSM is being represented. In terms of how a BDSM should go, I'll just back out from the discussion because that's beyond me.
I can't deny the toxic or abuse surfacing since it's a matter of personal perception. But I'm with the OG commenter that a slap isn't enough of a basis to say that MD is abusive or Chanwoo is a victim.
Reality aside, all these are just results of their personal motivations. It must have been too strong of an opinion that I think Chanwoo deserved this. More like Chanwoo should have seen it coming. He opt to stay because he didnt want to lose against Seunghyun, who tricked him. Chanwoo is not a victim of circumstances, but of his choices.
If it isn't about the slap but MD using the circumstances to vent his anger, I think MD already had the chance during their last sex play. This is more of MD still wanting Chanwoo to choose him. This where these two clear the ambiguity of their relationship because they aren't in it for the same reasons anymore.
I like how u say and mate with someone like they had sex yet
people just love to victimize Chan by keeping saying bs info. totally agree with you by the way, but well haters are gone hate, like always. just ignore them ╮(￣▽￣)╭
agreed! , MD is petty and vengeful by smacking and forcing someone to mate with a person who lied to him. a dom who mixes personal feelings to work and a sub who can't see if it is no longer safe should not engage in such BDSM relationship
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Haha but I never said it’s about glamorizing violence. What’s with you people and straying away from the original topic. Am just saying why is everyone so upbeat and saying it’s a violence and rape when it’s a slap and a kiss. I mean it’s bdsm hello, we say md do worse and no one said a thing, and sorry but your experience does not count as what bdsm is all about cuz it’s like an apple and saying all fruits taste like that.
actually as soon as i realized chanwoo was an abuse victim, their entire relationship was tainted in my eyes. You use play like that on a victim is incredibly toxic. i really wish chanwoo would walk away and get therapy. If people want to do bdsm. i dont really care. but theres abuse victims should get help. jmo
Yes I totally agree with you.
HAHAHAHA you mean the test was not all about sex? OMG
But if my experience don’t count, neither does yours lol cuz you know logic. And like I’ve enumerated countless times bdsm WITHOUT consent is violence and is abuse. Doesn’t matter if it’s a kiss or slap.
abused people cannot do that easily, because leaving is out of their comfort zone, they were used being forced
OP can't see this as rape, OP can't see this as abuse of Dom position, OP can't even see if it is consensual or not. I think the future is bleak, arguing is pointless..
Lmao you actually make sense. But I don’t think someone who does and love bdsm would want therapy and again their relationship wasn’t abusive cuz to them and mostly to MD it was a “play” he didn’t know chanwoo never says no and I just want to know how someone that repeatedly asked and said “chanwoo are you okay? You can use the safe word you know” could be call abusive.
yes, i know. but it is possible. chanwoo isnt a bad person. it would sadden me if he has to settle and end up with MD. it could be really powerful story line to show a character willing to get therapy for being an abuse victim. Authors tend to gloss it over and pretend that "love heals all."
You make a really good point
Okay, so people have been saying that MD and Chanwoo's relationship is beginning to be toxic and unhealthy. Dude, it's BDSM, a 'simple slap' isn't enough to faze something into considering the idea of a toxic relationship. Why bother reading a story about BDSM when you can't even stand a single slap from a seme to his uke?
Also, MD and Chanwoo doesn't even have a proper relationship yet. I say he's only being professional on being a DOM and he only slapped him because Chanwoo decided to disobey his order. That's what DOMs do to their SUBs. I don't mean to sound rude but, some of the readers here are a bit ignorant of BDSM. Seriously, it's not like he forced Chanwoo to obey his orders. He said it himself, "If you don't want to do it, you can leave". But, Chanwoo decided to stay so he's willing to obey him.
If you can still remember, there was this one chapter where MD punished Chanwoo—I think it was in chapter 20 to 30, I'm not sure—, and at that time, Chanwoo didn't give MD the consent to punish him. He uses some type of whip to hit his body at different areas.
My point here is, what's the difference of that scenario to what happened in the latest chapter, where MD slapped Chanwoo? And if there is a difference, it's still BDSM, a slap is normal in that field. Heck, there are even more things that is worse than a slap and y'all are getting so worked up about it.
Also, this is not trying to romanticed the both of them. I'm sure it will all work out in the next chapter.
If you want an example of a 'real toxic relationship', try reading Killing Stalking. That's the perfect example of an unhealthy relationship.
PS: This is just my view with regards to the happenings in the latest chapter. Feel free to agree and disagree.