Are you serious!!!

Roxy April 26, 2020 3:43 am

I get that what chang did was horribly wrong but it was also ed who started it and did all that stuff to taunt chang. you guys are only focusing on one side of the story. (╬ ̄皿 ̄)凸

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    kirlanda4ever April 26, 2020 3:48 am

    Um... No. Ed taunted him yes, but had no intention of doing it. Further more he begged and pleaded for Chang to not go further. He tried to run away and he was over powerd, all while pleading for Chang to stop. Chang here no gucking pass.

    kirlanda4ever April 26, 2020 3:49 am
    Um... No. Ed taunted him yes, but had no intention of doing it. Further more he begged and pleaded for Chang to not go further. He tried to run away and he was over powerd, all while pleading for Chang to stop.... kirlanda4ever

    Chang gets no pass.

    Roxy April 26, 2020 3:53 am

    I know I never said what Chang did is okay neither am I saying that he should have kept going but the comments that people are leaving are just way to much.

    Roxy April 26, 2020 3:56 am
    Um... No. Ed taunted him yes, but had no intention of doing it. Further more he begged and pleaded for Chang to not go further. He tried to run away and he was over powerd, all while pleading for Chang to stop.... kirlanda4ever

    I know I never said what Chang did is okay neither am I saying that he should have kept going but the comments that people are leaving are just way too much. Also, none of this would have happened if ed hadn't acting that way.

    Roxy April 26, 2020 3:57 am
    Um... No. Ed taunted him yes, but had no intention of doing it. Further more he begged and pleaded for Chang to not go further. He tried to run away and he was over powerd, all while pleading for Chang to stop.... kirlanda4ever

    acted*

    なる April 26, 2020 4:00 am

    they're legitimately ignoring that Ed assaulted Chang and Chang said no. Grabbing someone's dick is assault. Once someone is assaulted they don't necessarily react in logical ways, we know this because we do not victim blame for THIS reason. KJshfajsa

    Roxy April 26, 2020 4:13 am
    they're legitimately ignoring that Ed assaulted Chang and Chang said no. Grabbing someone's dick is assault. Once someone is assaulted they don't necessarily react in logical ways, we know this because we do no... なる

    see you understand (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

    I love it April 26, 2020 8:12 am

    Is a little provocation a reason for harassment, abuse and rape? ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~ hm?

    Hannah Redfield April 26, 2020 9:02 am

    Finally someone with common sense.

    Roxy April 26, 2020 9:29 am
    Is a little provocation a reason for harassment, abuse and rape? ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~ hm? I love it

    It wasn't plain provocation he literally told chang "But I'm also damn good at fucking. I can screw you too, if you're curious." he then continues to taunt him and proceeds to unbuckle chang's belt even after chang says no. He even tells chan to "Bend Over," and asks him if he's turned on.!!! CHANG TELLS ED TO STOP BUT HE KEPT GOING!!!
    (╯°Д °)╯╧╧

    Catlover April 26, 2020 9:58 am
    It wasn't plain provocation he literally told chang "But I'm also damn good at fucking. I can screw you too, if you're curious." he then continues to taunt him and proceeds to unbuckle chang's belt even after c... Roxy

    I'm not saying what Ed did was right...it was skirting on the edges of assault.
    BUT! U are forgetting the most important fact CHANG BOUGHT ED FOR THE NIGHT!!!!!
    So, I can say that as a job, Ed wasn't totally off- like he was paid for to have s*x so initiating it might not be completely wrong, definitely not right either. It was uncomfortable touching.
    But, Chang used physical force to subdue Ed and r*ped him. I don't blame Chang 100%, but 85% is Chang's fault.
    Both the parties aren't completely innocent. But just cause someone is selling themselves doesn't mean u can force them. Consent is important!

    Hannah Redfield April 26, 2020 10:53 am
    I'm not saying what Ed did was right...it was skirting on the edges of assault. BUT! U are forgetting the most important fact CHANG BOUGHT ED FOR THE NIGHT!!!!!So, I can say that as a job, Ed wasn't totally off... @Catlover

    Um NO!
    I'd say it's 50/50
    Remember that none of that would've have happen, if Ed just wasn't being stupid.

    Roxy April 26, 2020 11:23 am
    Um NO! I'd say it's 50/50 Remember that none of that would've have happen, if Ed just wasn't being stupid. Hannah Redfield

    I completely agree!!

    Catlover April 26, 2020 4:13 pm
    Um NO! I'd say it's 50/50 Remember that none of that would've have happen, if Ed just wasn't being stupid. Hannah Redfield

    I would have also gone for 50-50. But the only reason I blame Chang slightly more is because he also physically assaulted Ed!
    And yeah...Ed was a bit stupid, but we need to remember the fact that he was a man, a bodyguard. He probably didn't imagine ever getting raped! It's stupid ego, but some guys have that.
    In general, touching someone inappropriately and beating them up to manhandle them is essentially different. In the first case, u can physically retaliate against the offender, but in the second, u are practically helpless.
    BOTH of them are wrong nonetheless.

    なる April 26, 2020 5:32 pm
    I would have also gone for 50-50. But the only reason I blame Chang slightly more is because he also physically assaulted Ed!And yeah...Ed was a bit stupid, but we need to remember the fact that he was a man, a... @Catlover

    Ed assaults Chang first, bites Chang first, punches Chang first and then is surprised that Chang is stronger than him. This situation could not have gone any differently because Ed was escalating it - first sexually and then physically. Yes Chang manhandles him, but Ed throws the first punch when Chang hugs him and says it's not a joke and that he wants to hold Ed too.

    It's 50/50. Why are we deciding how someone felt about getting their dick grabbed and whether it was disconcerting enough or not?

    Also the context of this is sexual, but Ed asked Chang if he was really planning to do it and Chang changed the subject to work -- he wasn't planning on doing it.

    Roxy April 26, 2020 5:59 pm

    Sorry to seem insensitive but It’s not like that Ed wasn’t expecting what was going to happen either he is working as an escort and Chang bought him for the night.

    kirlanda4ever April 26, 2020 8:36 pm
    Ed assaults Chang first, bites Chang first, punches Chang first and then is surprised that Chang is stronger than him. This situation could not have gone any differently because Ed was escalating it - first sex... なる

    It's not 50/50. There are multiple meanings for assault. What Ed did was the "threat or attempt to inflict unwanted physical contact on a person". Chang did the first part of the definition of assault which is "inflicting physical harm unto a person" Ed was stupid. He provoked Chang. Chang barely tried to De-escalate briefly but was like fuck it. The main reason that Chang get 100% of the blame is that he purposefully bought Ed. Ed is not aware of who his clients are beforehand. If Ed was aware, I'm positive he would have turned down that job. It's insinuated in the story that Chang has some feelings for Ed that he suppresses and him being mean to Ed is the reflection of that. Ed sees Chang as the step brother/friend who betrayed him. I believe Chang used the debt to keep that boundary active so he doesn't touch him. However, buying him changes everything. That's why Ed was confused. He taunted a man who, in his mind, always annoyed and played tricks on him. A man who hates homosexuality. A man who is the closest thing he has to a family. Ed was stupid, naive, and cluessless. But he has ALWAYS been stupid, naive and clueless when dealing with Chang. Chang knows this. He know he can always make Ed bend to his will. Ed even admitted that he would kneel and kowtow if it will make Chang stop. Chang knew what he was gonna do from the jump, he had no intentions of not having sex with Ed, he wanted it to be consensual, which is why he bought him to begin with. If he wanted to "talk about work" he could've did that at his office. Chang is a predatory asshole.

    なる April 26, 2020 8:49 pm
    It's not 50/50. There are multiple meanings for assault. What Ed did was the "threat or attempt to inflict unwanted physical contact on a person". Chang did the first part of the definition of assault which is ... kirlanda4ever

    Please see chapter 52 where Ed tells Chang to buy him.

    なる April 26, 2020 8:52 pm
    It's not 50/50. There are multiple meanings for assault. What Ed did was the "threat or attempt to inflict unwanted physical contact on a person". Chang did the first part of the definition of assault which is ... kirlanda4ever

    Everyone is pretending Ed has no understanding of what is going on between him and Chang but he does know. He acts as an unreliable narrator frequently, anyway looking forward to chapter 54 translations. I dont think it changes the situation but I think it invalidates some of the arguments people have been making

    なる April 26, 2020 8:57 pm
    It's not 50/50. There are multiple meanings for assault. What Ed did was the "threat or attempt to inflict unwanted physical contact on a person". Chang did the first part of the definition of assault which is ... kirlanda4ever

    And please stop, you are arguing that grabbing someone's dick is a threat of unwanted sexual contact and not actual unwanted sexual contact.