I think it’s funny that when theres an antagonist and if he is hot. As long as he didn�...

I think it's even funnier that every person that complains about rape in yaoi is also a die hard fan of Harada, like actually, I think it's hillarious, cracks me up everytime.

I think there's a lot of readers against rape because there's just too many mangas with it...literally every other one. Whereas, the other examples you mentioned are much less common and therefore not discussed frequently. But personally, I've gotten used to rape because disliking it would cut the amount of yaoi manga I could read by a lot.

not trying to side with anyone but there's a reason why no one is complaining about Harada. Harada writes fucked up stories alright, but she never, not even once, romanticizes rape and abuse. Readers all know the relationship is toxic, and not one of them is lusting over her characters or anything. She basically shows what toxicity in relationship is like.

Well to be honest, I've gotten pretty used with how some mangakas depict rape as well. That doesn't mean I'm okay with rape though. However, recent mangas are better I think. I mean, not many of them romanticize rape like how it was before. So I think a lot of mangakas have learned.

Okay so romanticized rape is bad but pedophilia and mental, physical and sexual abuse are fine cause it's Harada writing about it... got it (▰˘◡˘▰)

it's just easier to say you like fucked up stuff, no mangaka is normalizing rape lmao it's just common in this genre, if it's romanticized or just straight up sexual assault with a plot it's the same thing ╮(￣▽￣)╭ people just labelling this shit so they don't feel bad about reading these stories

It's funny, cos I don't think you understand my point at ALL. And I think you just read what I wrote very briefly because you want to stick to what you believe in. I said,"Harada writes fucked up stories, but she NEVER ROMANTICIZES any of those things." There's a difference between portraying a real toxic relationship and making rape/abuse etc a romantic thing. I've asked people what they thought after reading Harada's works, and everyone is aware of what those relationship would bring and is disgusted. They know what she's portraying there is something bad and something they should not do. But what about the mangakas who write about a seme who rapes the uke because he loves him and the uke accepts him because of of love? Yeah, that is what makes people uncomfortable. Especially someone like me who personally knows a rape and abuse victim. Because even just helping them get through it and recover from the trauma is already like hell. And because of that, whenever we see people portraying rape and abuse very LIGHTLY in fictions, we feel uncomfortable.

Also, just want to add that I don't read Back to School (stopped after first few chapters) and haven't finished Walk on Water so I don't know what the issues that are being brought up. But I do avoid mangas that romanticizes things like rape/abuse etc. And, if you still don't get my point, I'll emphasize this again. I never said anything about loving Harada's works. My point is, at the very least, she doesn't make it seem like rape is romantic. That's what it is. I do understand your point about people who are treating abusive relationship in fictions like it's nothing. ABuse, rape, pedophilia are all the same; they are a crime and should never be be taken lightly. Arguments about this have never stopped till this day. So it's pretty tiring to keep debating. Let's finish this in peace.

I'm not mad, I like Harada but to me it'd be hypocrytical to criticize other mangas with that stuff when I like Harada just cause it portrays abuse for what it is. But yeah, we good dude ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Peace That being said, as a writer myself, I do always wonder what authors who write stories like that have in their mind. Like the author of Killing Stalking, and Harada. I mean, for me, I won't write disturbing stories, cos I get bothered by it, no matter what message I'm trying to deliver. So yeah, these authors are very...peculiar...I guess.

I'd rather not know honestly lmao

For Back to school and Walk on Water.
The real problems were the readers. The MCs didn’t end up with the trash seme. But because they were hot, readers were craving for these semes, hoping for the MC to end up with them, despite all the nasty stuff they have done (which i consider worst than rape for one of them).

Ah I see...I guess that still happens a lot. But out of curiosity, in Walk on Water, is McQueen being abusive towards Ed? Cos I've only read up to the part when they have just started dating, I think.

As far as i went (im probably like 6 chapters behind) no McQueen hasn’t been abusive. But people are quite fast to attack McQueen because they prefer Chang. Chang being the guy who turned the MC’s life into shit. MC is stuck in a debt since years because Chang tricked his father. Not to mention Chang pretty much cut off all ties with Ed after tricking him into a big debts, even though they were like brothers before.

I do agree Chang is hot, but i dont see wheres the romance in years of hard labor trying to pay off a debt.

And even then, the readers love Chang and are saying his character is very good and interesting. He is just doing bad stuff for the story to be more dramatic, without a proper setting to make it interesting.

Okay I see. I haven't read the comments so I didn't know that readers want Ed to end up with Chang. I pretty much know some spoilers but haven't read. Well yeah I kind of agree too. When I see a hot character, I acknowledge their looks. Like Chang for example. But like you said, just because I think he's hot doesn't mean I would justify his deeds. If he is being a bastard to Ed then no, I don't want them to be together.

Toxic relationship is toxic, there's no justifying it. But if McQueen is hurting Ed too, be it mentally or physically, I don't want them to be in a relationship too. Perhaps it's better for Ed to be alone. Lol. Of course, i haven't read so I don't know the whole story.