Chap41 thought

At first i tried to justify it like you, but the image of person in his mind, the reason behind him lying, was not IH, but SH. (see chap35)

Thats why i said his character is inconsistent and not loyal. And IH was right, he had a change of heart that night when the younger lord visited while he was getting a bj from Sh. later he fell for Sh’s pained expression, which was the reason he lied. I really hope author-san can somehow justify that, because initially i love Nk the most, for his innocence, his romance, his struggle with his subconscious desire, and his loyalty . Now three of those are no longer, which is why I’m frustrated.

Thank you

When Nakyum said butterflies I thought it was a mistake in translation, because how is it even possible? So random

Lol i did try many times to understand why he had a change of heart and lied, [again my ranting] after being fcked to half death. Thats not how a normal human would react. I tried to overlook and rationalize it alot of times but it has come near the point where i can no longer. Let's see what happens next then. For now from what i see i can't convince you to agree with me no matter how hard i tried to reason, and i just can't see it from ur pov bc our sentiments are different. We just have to agree to disagree. Adios.

Ikr! It baffled and bugged me sooo much the way he reacted. Since then i was just waiting for the following chapters to rectify that but i guess it will not be happening.

Prior to chap 35 the manhwa has such a good plot and good character development :((( so it would be a shame if it turns out like every other rape manga out there. I hope it would never come to that.

I agree in all of your statement. This manhwa is so good but it's honestly starting to get cliché. It's like Nakyum's falling for Seungho out of nothing. I know that they'll walk the romantic trope, but can the author please give justification for Nakyum's character?

Thank you. I got so hooked with this manhwa that i was willing to overlook alot of inconsistencies, but my patience is thinning and hence my ranting here >.<

We are all modern people, and believe it or not i'm not even seeing it from modern point of view. Heck i'm Asian (south-east asia), i watched a lot of historical k-dramas growing up, study the culture and history, and read a fair amount of historical romance and rape yaoi. So i don't think there is any ground to call it a mistake :)

One final point is, domestic abuse took place alot back in the day when i was small, in the country i live (it still takes place now just not as much), and around my area (which is the most developed city in my developing country) and even in my own home, i can tell you the reason the victim chose to stick with the abuser wasn't because she has feelings for him, but bc she is financially dependent on him, or she endures the pain for the sake of her kids, or probably other kinds of restraints, or she may forgive him after a looong while (unwillingly, if he apologizes), but never out of her own volition. So idk where you live, maybe you see people stick with the abuser for the lingering feelings, but from what i see, that's never the case here. No human being could possibly has the hot for the abuser right after being brutally abused. Maybe the victim could change her mind, but that'll take plenty of time. Not right after being beaten/raped to half death. The feelings the victims have can only be negative. Hatred, fear, anguish, contempt, resentment. Not love. Maybe once but not after the abuse. Because the impact of the violence is long-lasting.

In POTN, Nk didn't even stay with Sh that long. 2 months at most. And forcefully not willingly. But the day he woke up he felt butterflies, and only 2-3 days later he lied, and the day after that he let Sh touch him without so much as pretending to dislike it. I saw someone mention Stockholm syndrome, but that shit only applies for kidnap victim with no violence involved. So thats why romanticizing him with Sh right after the abuse is just outright ridiculous.
And that conclude my ranting conversation here. You can have the last word if you want, but I don't think there's any point in prolonging the conversation.

We are all modern people, and believe it or not i'm not even seeing it from modern point of view. Heck i'm Asian (south-east asia), i watched a lot of historical k-dramas growing up, study the culture and history, and read a fair amount of historical romance and rape yaoi. So i don't think there is any ground to call it a mistake :)

One final point is, domestic abuse took place alot back in the day when i was small, in the country i live (it still takes place now just not as much), and around my area (which is the most developed city in my developing country) and even in my own home, i can tell you the reason the victim chose to stick with the abuser wasn't because she has feelings for him, but bc she is financially dependent on him, or she endures the pain for the sake of her kids, or probably other kinds of restraints, or she may forgive him after a looong while (unwillingly, if he apologizes), but never out of her own volition. So idk where you live, maybe you see people stick with the abuser for the lingering feelings, but from what i see, that's never the case here. No human being could possibly has the hot for the abuser right after being brutally abused. Maybe the victim could change her mind, but that'll take plenty of time. Not right after being beaten/raped to half death. The feelings the victims have can only be negative. Hatred, fear, anguish, contempt, resentment. Not love. Maybe once but not after the abuse. Because the impact of the violence is long-lasting.

In POTN, Nk didn't even stay with Sh that long. 2 months at most. And forcefully not willingly. But the day he woke up he felt butterflies, and only 2-3 days later he lied, and the day after that he let Sh touch him without so much as pretending to dislike it. I saw someone mention Stockholm syndrome, but that shit only applies for kidnap victim with no violence involved. So thats why romanticizing him with Sh right after the abuse is just outright ridiculous.
And that conclude my ranting conversation here. You can have the last word if you want, but I don't think there's any point in prolonging the conversation.

Nope i never had that expectation. I just find the plot very realistic prior to chap35, because author-san portrays what rape really is. She depicted Sh and Nk so real just like how normal human beings would act and behave in the. feudal time. SH as an abusive lord, and Nk as a drunken lowborn but very loyal, very brave and sacrificial when it comes to his teacher. Then she stopped doing that for the romance, and Nk was so out of character. I don't argue about the dark plot, or Nakyum feeling worthless (that i have agreed upon) or anything, just the way she executed it, the details leading to that plot from chap35 onwards, are full of inconsistencies, like what i was ranting again and again in my above comments.

Haizzz why was i even bother trying -_- . I guess there's no point trying to argue about the abusive thingy. And also you made an assumption about my "mistake" of seeing it from the "modern" standpoint, hence my lengthy paragraph. What i mean is, I'm familiar with the history and culture here. Period.

Anw, you forgot to include "with no violence involved", which is more important.

What i was trying to say the whole time, from my 1st comment, is how out of character Nk is. He is weak yes, but he's not when it comes to his teacher. He talked back at the lord even when knowing he could be punished. He accepted being raped, twice, for Ih. He said he pine for Ih, like Ih. But that changed 180 degree after he woke up. And that, That, is what i have problems with. Nk being out of character. Nk's abrupt change of motivation (from love for one person to sex with another). Nk's unrealistic reaction after being brutally raped. NOT Nk being weak, or can't fall for Sh. Haiz.

And right after that he had the butterflies for Sh. (￣∇￣"). You see my point?

I mean isn't the point of this story to show the uke falling in love with his abuse crazy murder partner that kidnaps him? of course it won't make any sense since it is Stockholm syndrome. isn't it the point? to not make any sense? since the Seme can murder anyone he wants and nothing will happen to him or rape anyone he wants with no price.

I know eventually Nk and Sh will end up a couple. But the author did make sense before he woke up, then she stopped making sense Σ( ￣□￣||). And Stockholm only happens when there’s no violence involved though ╮(￣▽￣)╭

not really, Stockholm happens after you be kidnap for a while and forced to stay with someone until you totally only see his point of view. it can involve violence, rape and especially terror. the fact that the uke thinks a crazy murder can be "nice" is already didn't make sense to me in writing and it happens in the very early chapters before even chapter 30.
also, I felt it didn't make sense from the start the murder not have any effect on anyone and the story. that's why I said, it is a crap plot ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I went through the entire thread and I realise you have a problem with the way NK woke up with butterflies in his stomach after he was sick when he saw Seungho. I think you might have missed it but the author did try to add some deeper context to his attraction towards Seungho. If you go back and check that chapter, you will see the chapter starts with the teacher punishing NK for his art work. And NK tearfully promising never to draw such filth again. But at the same time the Seungho (in the dream) calls him a liar, says he knows NK loves drawing erotica. Here it should be understood that for a boy like NK, who had nothing but his artwork, no matter what he drew he must have been proud of it. After all what is an artist without his work. But Seungho not only supports his artwork but admires it to the point of obsession. Any human being no matter how much they dislike a person will be at some inner level pleased if there work is appreciated. I think the same happens for NK. It's a internal dilemma of sorts, There is the teacher he likes, but that person is disgusted with his work. And there is Seungho who abuses him but admires his work. I think that acceptance is a point of attraction.

Now coming to the second point, why he lied to the teacher there are 2 reasons for it I think. First NK is not a bad person, he saw the shaking of Seungho's hand during the conversation with the brother (after all he has never seen Seungho show any weakness he must have been surprised) and the conflict on his face after his brother left (also the readers are not privy to the conversation between Seungho and his brother) but NK might have felt some sympathy for Seungho if the reason for his ostracization by his family is due to his homosexuality. So, at some level he must understand that snitching about Seungho's condition would be a bad thing to do irrespective of his love for the teacher. Also by this point as I mentioned above, at some subconscious level he does find Seungho's acceptance likable(even if it comes wrapped in abuse)

P.S. He is a low born, realistically speaking he is not supposed to have a lot of self respect and pride. Those things come from a place of entitlement and upbringing. When you are born and brought up with the confidence that you have worth and value. One "learns" to respect themselves. Nobody is born with respect. And if a person is lucky they have the right surroundings and environment for that to happen.

I went through the entire thread and I realise you have a problem with the way NK woke up with butterflies in his stomach after he was sick when he saw Seungho. I think you might have missed it but the author did try to add some deeper context to his attraction towards Seungho. If you go back and check that chapter, you will see the chapter starts with the teacher punishing NK for his art work. And NK tearfully promising never to draw such filth again. But at the same time the Seungho (in the dream) calls him a liar, says he knows NK loves drawing erotica. Here it should be understood that for a boy like NK, who had nothing but his artwork, no matter what he drew he must have been proud of it. After all what is an artist without his work. But Seungho not only supports his artwork but admires it to the point of obsession. Any human being no matter how much they dislike a person will be at some inner level pleased if there work is appreciated. I think the same happens for NK. It's a internal dilemma of sorts, There is the teacher he likes, but that person is disgusted with his work. And there is Seungho who abuses him but admires his work. I think that acceptance is a point of attraction.

Now coming to the second point, why he lied to the teacher there are 2 reasons for it I think. First NK is not a bad person, he saw the shaking of Seungho's hand during the conversation with the brother (after all he has never seen Seungho show any weakness he must have been surprised) and the conflict on his face after his brother left (also the readers are not privy to the conversation between Seungho and his brother) but NK might have felt some sympathy for Seungho if the reason for his ostracization by his family is due to his homosexuality. So, at some level he must understand that snitching about Seungho's condition would be a bad thing to do irrespective of his love for the teacher. Also by this point as I mentioned above, at some subconscious level he does find Seungho's acceptance likable(even if it comes wrapped in abuse)

P.S. He is a low born, realistically speaking he is not supposed to have a lot of self respect and pride. Those things come from a place of entitlement and upbringing. When you are born and brought up with the confidence that you have worth and value. One "learns" to respect themselves. Nobody is born with respect. And if a person is lucky they have the right surroundings and environment for that to happen.