Yes, you have a point there, but the forced sex was bitter. He clearly said that isn't love.
Btw.. which Is the title of the film?
That story Is on completely other level in regard of character development!! I love It!
Your interpretation of self love is fucked up. Fuck off please. If we're talking about real life, do you ACTUALLY think that rape would make a gay man feel himself? Or feel more self hatred? I think you are discriminating against gay men here saying forced gay sex is a way to make them understand themselves, like they are not like other humans who feel like shit after being raped, but feel enlightened. Go to a therapist you fuck head.
Don't come trying to defend rape in any fucking way.
We're not talkig about real life. This is fiction. If this was like real life: no matter how much you love your daughter, would you let Niina come to your house to deliver a cake? No way. You'd apologise to her, told her they don't make heart cakes anymore, lets go to another shop it will taste just as delicious. Would you see him outside worl even if it is work related? No. You'd tell him that it's you free time and you are not working at the time that you'd hear what they have to say again and work hours. Kusabi Keri likes this kinda plots and she usually deals with the problem in the same way.
Now, I'd appreciate that you'd tone down the aggressiveness in you comment since I was just expressing that while everyone was raging because of that scene I was thinking about other things. And I made myself clear enough explaining that I WAS NOT OK WITH RAPE AND THAT IT WASN'T THE WAY TO GET THE THINGS DONE. Maybe if you weren't so ignorantly making assumptions about discrimination you would have understood it. But well, I can't help you understand sentences in capital letters if you don't read comprehensively. I clearly said that I was more distracted thinking what would be the best approach for Minoru to understand that he can happy and that he deserves it.
I know there's going to be a rape approach if I read Kusabi keri's works, and she has kind of her twisted rape view that she gives to each of her plots... Since I usually like her stories and I understand this is fiction, I decide to pass that part while thinking in the further developement in the story. Maybe this will have better character development than her previous ones, I don't know. That doesn't mean I have to read your little kids insults about things I haven't said.
Mate, then who the fuck writes an essay explaining self love in fiction? Ah yes, you.
I read Saezuru and I agree with you. But I was expecting a rape part since Kusabi Keri tends to (unfortunaly) include rape to give her plots a push always. Like I really like Minoru's character and didn't think that scene was necessary I just started to think in other things like what would he need to achieve a happy ending.
I am worried at how everyone seems to think that I think the way Niina has done things was right. I never said that. I was just thinking about other things while reading. If we are lucky enough this is longer than a tankoubon and we'll see character development but I am not sure...
On a side note: when that happened and Doumeki was reflecting and repenting about he did, I was amazingly surprised at how little we see that on manga. I think I've only read three stories where the main character at least notices that what he did was fucked up.
Oh, mate. And who reads it? You.
I didn't force you to read it nor to understand it. I was just writing the way I was thinking while reading. And girl, that is definitely not and essay on self love... that's overstimating a commemt and if you ever hand in an essay like that, that'd be a pretty poor work.
Now, if there was anyone who understands what is reading without making silly assumptions, there might be some debate about what would have been a better approach as it did happen above... of course not with you. If you are willingly or ABLE to talk without insulting, well it could happen still
Okay so I just wanted to see some else's views on that topic and I thought it was reality you're talking about while giving an example of this fiction. How about that?
I can't argue with that. But the whole point in Saezuru and mangaka's idea behind is utterly different too. Saezuru attracts because it has depth... a depth I don't think we'll find here.
You're probably right... the plot is going to go around the idea of a sexual awakening through this and then it will become love for some reason... （￣へ￣）
I'll still hope for some character or plot development that can surprise me or maybe sth that could help Minoru in a healthier way... for the moment, I'll keep reading it
You know? I was completely fine with the chapter until I read the comment section.
Generally speaking I take it really bad when rape is involved... this was, but I didn't take it as wrongly as the rest. I KNOW THIS WILL BE an unpopular opinion but I was focusing more in how sad was that the father was blaming himself for not being honest with his wife and himself but at the same time wasn't able to be honest either. He blamed himself but couldn't bring himself out of his own misery and was okay with living the rest of his days not fully aware that he could have had a family and hapiness at the same, that it isn't wrong to be gay, ergo, there's nothing wrong with him.
Maybe, the movie I just saw on Netflix influenced me (there were this two teenagers who felt lonely and near death for different reasons and one of them was annoyingly pushy in trying to make her realize that there were a lot of things that deserved to be lived and that she wasn't defined by her traumas and he forced her to go out of her own sadness) that I was just thinking: well, seeing how Minoru has already decided that he doesn't deserve happiness perhaps he needs someone as Niina to push him out of that hole even if he doesn't want to... because he will never want to since he had already made that sorrowful decision.
Just to be clear: I AM NOT ROMATIZICING THE RAPE. I was just thinking what kind of personality and actions were requiered to convince another person of doing things they need even though they don't conceive a way of wanting to do it and keep everything going on in their lives.
Now, I AM AGAINST rape. I truly think there should have been other actions to convince Minoru that there's nothing wrong with him and that's ok to feel desire towards men, but until I read the comments section I was more focused in if it was going to be enough for him to understand that he deserves love too.