To the people saying it is disappointing how Nakyum falls for this scary Seungho and forge...

cygnus March 14, 2020 8:48 pm

To the people saying it is disappointing how Nakyum falls for this scary Seungho and forgets about what he did to him.Those are totally different times. Treatment like this was on daily basic, human rights-they didn't even know what it was. Rape, killing were common, beating lowborn's ass as well. I'm not saying it is right and Seungho should be forgiven but we ought to take it into account while thinking how can Nakyum fall for him so easily and not be scared to death by his doings. It was terrifying but not as shocking as now. It was common. As for those times Seungho is not treating Nakyum that bad (aside from rape and the beating). He's giving him so much more than he deserves as a lowborn. Even those around him are shocked by it. Btw I bet what Nakyum feels for him is not love but his hidden lust. It's still too early for love. Seungho is the first person who accepts him the way he is and no wonder he is somehow getting aroused by the unknown feeling. It's so hard for him to admit that he may like it, he wants to run away from it but we can tell that just by looking at his expressions that deep down he's curious. And I think it's not only the medicine's doing

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    AsaNisaMasa March 14, 2020 9:15 pm

    You kind of play down the pain, even physical one of the victims of the past.
    These people still felt pain and had emotions.
    Also we don't know much about NK's past but he was rather innocent one so I wouldn't say he was accustomed to this brutality.
    Also not every lowborn had contact with higher class. Beside poverty, many of them,at least men didn't face rape or beating in their life.
    I am no expert on Korean history... So maybe you can enlighten me in that matter: was "rape" on young boys something common on daily basic in Joseon Dynasty?

    AichiS. March 14, 2020 9:39 pm
    You kind of play down the pain, even physical one of the victims of the past. These people still felt pain and had emotions. Also we don't know much about NK's past but he was rather innocent one so I wouldn't ... AsaNisaMasa

    Rape in general was. During the time of nobles and kings people with power did whatever the hell they wanted. Killed you for looking at them too long. Killing on a whim was normal and so was rape. They often told their servants to accept it because they were below them. While it’s not generally talked about raping young men was also fairly common. One of korea’s most common punishments was to wrap up the head of the household or a first born son in a mat and beat them to death with a cane. They didn’t the mat thing so their “inferior” blood wouldn’t get everywhere. I don’t know if that was the answer you were looking for but even if NK grew up fairly normal childhood he still would have seen things and heard things from others.

    AsaNisaMasa March 14, 2020 10:01 pm
    Rape in general was. During the time of nobles and kings people with power did whatever the hell they wanted. Killed you for looking at them too long. Killing on a whim was normal and so was rape. They often to... AichiS.

    Oh can you recommend some works? Because I couldn't find anything good tbh about said matter.
    But still hearing about something or seeing from far away... doesn't make you complete immune.
    It's not like these people have different nervous system than ours. They still felt pain, and yeah after being beated or raped several times your tolerance gets better but still it has its impact on someone's mind.
    We can read about something similar to depression already in Antiquity for example.

    cygnus March 14, 2020 10:23 pm
    You kind of play down the pain, even physical one of the victims of the past. These people still felt pain and had emotions. Also we don't know much about NK's past but he was rather innocent one so I wouldn't ... AsaNisaMasa

    Where did I play down his feeling? I don't think anyone would ever be happy or even indifferent about rape or beating. What I'm trying to say he wouldn't cry over it for long or even keep it in mind that "that day he punched me in the face, poor me". That was something common not only in Korean but any history. It's exactly as AichiS said. Those with power treated lowborns like shit and they could do anything to them because nobody would dare to stand in their way. And yes, men were also raped, especially those pretty boys. And the only thing they could do was cry alone and get over it because nobody would fight for their rights. That's so cruel but it was the reality

    T-Chan lol March 14, 2020 10:28 pm
    Oh can you recommend some works? Because I couldn't find anything good tbh about said matter. But still hearing about something or seeing from far away... doesn't make you complete immune.It's not like these pe... AsaNisaMasa

    The point is, morally it wasn’t considered as wrong or bad. Morals evolve and change with time and morals decide what is right and wrong so Seungho wasn’t particularly evil. The only thing people frowned upon was his frivolous lifestyle and the sodomy.

    xMorfium March 14, 2020 10:29 pm
    You kind of play down the pain, even physical one of the victims of the past. These people still felt pain and had emotions. Also we don't know much about NK's past but he was rather innocent one so I wouldn't ... AsaNisaMasa

    He liked Yoon tho. Physically, even before the rape thing.

    AsaNisaMasa March 14, 2020 10:31 pm
    Where did I play down his feeling? I don't think anyone would ever be happy or even indifferent about rape or beating. What I'm trying to say he wouldn't cry over it for long or even keep it in mind that "that ... cygnus

    But we are talking about falling in love with someone who nearly caused you death and kept you against your will plus "rape"... Falling for him even in the past still seems rather unrealistic?

    AsaNisaMasa March 14, 2020 10:33 pm
    The point is, morally it wasn’t considered as wrong or bad. Morals evolve and change with time and morals decide what is right and wrong so Seungho wasn’t particularly evil. The only thing people frowned up... T-Chan lol

    But... I'm not talking about Seungho right now but about Nakyum's feelings and pain?

    AsaNisaMasa March 14, 2020 10:35 pm
    Where did I play down his feeling? I don't think anyone would ever be happy or even indifferent about rape or beating. What I'm trying to say he wouldn't cry over it for long or even keep it in mind that "that ... cygnus

    And as I said it looks like NK lived in rather peaceful way before... So it still should be rather traumatic experience. Even if he heard about such things...

    cygnus March 14, 2020 11:03 pm
    But we are talking about falling in love with someone who nearly caused you death and kept you against your will plus "rape"... Falling for him even in the past still seems rather unrealistic? AsaNisaMasa

    As I said I don't think he's in love with him, at least not now. It's his body that is reacting. You know, it's hard to explain because it just sounds terrible and my english is poor... But if it was a girl in Nakyum's place I don't think anybody would even look down on Seungho as they do now because he plays around with boys. It would be something "normal". Nakyum is scared, nobody wants to feel pain, but he's not making a big deal out of it. At some point it becomes clear to him that he has to deal with it. It's a if he saw Seungho killing somebody. I bet he would be scared for a while but then he would forget because it was something "normal". And that wouldn't stop him from falling for him if he changed. Man, I feel bad writing it but it probably was the same with rape. That's why historical stories are so hard to read because something unbelievable for us, was something people had to deal with every day. I see those small changes in Seungho's behaviour and I won't be surprised if Nakyum really falls for him at some point if they get to know each other better. Seungho is a total scum, I want to chop his neck for what he did but in the story he is just a normal lord whose biggest sin was openly playing around with men..

    AsaNisaMasa March 14, 2020 11:20 pm
    As I said I don't think he's in love with him, at least not now. It's his body that is reacting. You know, it's hard to explain because it just sounds terrible and my english is poor... But if it was a girl in ... cygnus

    Tbh it doesn't make any difference to me if it was man or woman. I still don't think getting used to something makes you forget.... Especially if it was long term, several abuse which nearly caused death...and a lot of pain. It will always be there in your subconscious. It's definitely not healthy, physiological mechanism. More of adaption one, defence mechanism, where your mind try to adjust to current circumstances.

    cygnus March 15, 2020 12:06 am
    Tbh it doesn't make any difference to me if it was man or woman. I still don't think getting used to something makes you forget.... Especially if it was long term, several abuse which nearly caused death...and ... AsaNisaMasa

    You still don't get the point. Their mentality and morals were so much different than ours and in the story you can clearly see that. Try watching some historical documents about that case if you are ready (because for someone who is unaccustomed to those matters it can be a shock )

    AsaNisaMasa March 15, 2020 12:16 am
    You still don't get the point. Their mentality and morals were so much different than ours and in the story you can clearly see that. Try watching some historical documents about that case if you are ready (bec... cygnus

    Be more concrete. Which titles. Now it looks like you are just trying to get rid of me with some vague post. Our brains anatomically aren't different. Such experiences sill had impact on your limbic structures.
    What have morals with enduring PHYSICAL PAIN, causing near death experience and rape especially to someone so innocent. For me it's nothing more than copy mechanism, which would be considered as pathological under such circumstances.

    AsaNisaMasa March 15, 2020 12:21 am
    You still don't get the point. Their mentality and morals were so much different than ours and in the story you can clearly see that. Try watching some historical documents about that case if you are ready (bec... cygnus

    I'm from Europe and watched many European documents and didn't see one portraying romantic relationship between noble and servant...where servant (male!servant) would fall for the noble after several abuse.
    But I always prefered natural science.... So maybe that's it.

    AsaNisaMasa March 15, 2020 12:32 am
    You still don't get the point. Their mentality and morals were so much different than ours and in the story you can clearly see that. Try watching some historical documents about that case if you are ready (bec... cygnus

    Also I think this discussion is pointless. We have different view. We agree to disagree.
    But I still hope NK won't fall for SH.

    cygnus March 15, 2020 12:33 am
    Be more concrete. Which titles. Now it looks like you are just trying to get rid of me with some vague post. Our brains anatomically aren't different. Such experiences sill had impact on your limbic structures.... AsaNisaMasa

    Ugh I'm just saying you should see it with your eyes or hear it with your ears because you clearly don't even want to understand what I'm telling you. Would you kill a human? I suppose no. In the past? Yes, they would even tho our brains are no different. Would you feel bad after killing a human? Probably yes. Even get a trauma. In the past?
    They wouldn't even care to know who they were. No regret. Maybe a lowborn would feel some regret or fear that someone might find out. You see someone being raped? You try to help, call the police, the rapist probably will be stigmatised and imprisoned. In the past? Who cares? Shit happens, dont bother or else you're going to loose your head. Your parent beats your ass to death? You call the police and hate the parents. In the past? They would still treat those parents with respect and cope with it because a bigger sin was to go against them. I'm not trying to get rid of you. I just dont see any better way to explain it to you. Search it up in the net, I'm sure you'll find it the way I did

    AsaNisaMasa March 15, 2020 12:44 am
    Ugh I'm just saying you should see it with your eyes or hear it with your ears because you clearly don't even want to understand what I'm telling you. Would you kill a human? I suppose no. In the past? Yes, the... cygnus

    No I don't agree. People still rebelled. Nakyum tried to run away. You try to simplify things. Abuse cause changes in brain. Now and THEN. Sorry to break it to you.
    Think about all big revolutions.
    We are not talking about actions but feelings.
    You think they didn't keep grudge to these patents? Most of them would have rid of said parents as soon as they could. For most it was because of powerlessness. Powerlessness was the problem, not some rules created then.
    We are talking about two different things. I'm talking about hidden emotions. There were cases were slaved killed their master. Why? In your logic it wouldn't make bigger sense.

    cygnus March 15, 2020 12:45 am
    I'm from Europe and watched many European documents and didn't see one portraying romantic relationship between noble and servant...where servant (male!servant) would fall for the noble after several abuse. But... AsaNisaMasa

    First that came to my mind - emperor Hadrian and Antinous. From Europe. We cant say whether there was abuse but I dont want to believe that around 12 years old boy wanted to have sex with an adult man. Now you would call it a pedophilia. And yes, they fell in love. Is it normal? Hell no. But in the past it was

    AsaNisaMasa March 15, 2020 12:49 am
    First that came to my mind - emperor Hadrian and Antinous. From Europe. We cant say whether there was abuse but I dont want to believe that around 12 years old boy wanted to have sex with an adult man. Now you ... cygnus

    Yeah with child it's more believable than with adult man like NK. He got attached to this man, literally grew up with him. There are many cases were abused children "fell for their abusers and are together with them even years later... But it wouldn't be considered as love my nowadays science, would it be?

    AsaNisaMasa March 15, 2020 12:54 am
    First that came to my mind - emperor Hadrian and Antinous. From Europe. We cant say whether there was abuse but I dont want to believe that around 12 years old boy wanted to have sex with an adult man. Now you ... cygnus

    You know...child grooming.