If you're lazy to read it all, just read the last sentence
Exactly. Should have left at that! lol
Almost every stories in this site is getting shamed and it's really hard for the readers and fans. I actually said this in other comment thread—it's becoming a nest of toxicity.
I couldn’t agree more!
Thank you so much for speaking up on this situation. The reason i have been ignoring reading most comments because I simply want to enjoy yaoi mangas/manhwas. I like dark and twisted stories and I cannot explain why.
Thank you! People keep forgetting this isn't a damn church
Thank. You.
Nobody owes anyone an explanation. But people have the right to bitch, disapprove, and snark. Just like folks who don't like this don't need to read it, folks who don't like criticisms don't need to read them. Right?
Nowhere in my post I said that people don't have the right to criticize to disapprove, snark or bitch ... about the story. We definitely disagree about the right to 'disapprove' readers or tastes. It's not my business to 'disapprove' of what other readers like it or not. I'm not their mother, priest or God.
If you pay attention to my post I am denouncing the posters who keep shaming shippers. It's a very different level from criticizing story.
No, it's not my right to disapprove of your taste, your preference or your even your morals. I welcome criticism, of a story, a character .... but not at all the self anointment of being the judge of what is moral or appropriate for others and then shame them if they don't fit my own.
If you can't tell the difference between criticizing a story on its own and shaming the readers, I can't explain it better.
Please if you don't like my post or position about shaming readers, you don't need to read it, right?
Bravo for this great speech, Zarathustra! Great writing btw.
Thank you very much.
May God bless you!
I may get many downvotes if I say this but here it goes. The shippers of this couple do not own any explanation to anyone. Every single person who choses to read this do it at their own risk of discomfort. Imagine start reading something and then expecting others to stop shipping or romancing a couple because you don't like them or feel uncomfortable?
I don't know how many times Yaoi readers in general have to say that just because one engages and enjoys stories and ships like this doesn't mean they condone rape or abuse.
There are many readers who don't ship the MCs but I haven't read one single poster here who is capable of express their opinion without going ten steps further and laying shame to others than do.
How many times the same thing has to be said over and over and even more in a
Yaoi genre? We all have different tastes and this is what makes these kind of moralistic shaming in PON even worse. I have seen people here that apparently enjoy other stories/ships that also have their grain of abuse, yaoi or shounen ai . For whatever reason, they seemed capable to enjoy other 'more friendly' abuse plot, Yet, they become the banner abusive relationship educators in this particular story -- that, by the way, is not even one of the most classic rape plots.
If you enjoy the story for the art or because you want to see Seungho dead or whatever, okay, stay and enjoy as you wish but why the need to put down people who ship the characters? If they want to ship Seungho and Nakyum and fangirl over it and you get sick with it when you are in a story that this is more than expected and common, the problem is not the shippers, it's you --- who can't express your point without making others feel below you and you think others should adjust to make you comfortable to be here.
Nobody is required to stop liking or shipping something just for you to feel better.
If people want to see romance, let them. Its not your problem. If you really think people who ship these two are immorals or stupid, be even better, refrain from making people feel trash, just say a prayer silently thanking the Gods for your higher intellect and morals. Imagine judging people you know nothing about, never saw or talked based on the fact that they ship a Seungho x Nakyum Yaoi story. Life is bigger than this and so it's our morality.
It would be perfect if stories like these were actually locked by a password, like a forbidden room only for 'immoral' perverts. Like an orgy. You don't enter an orgy just to stay there and keep preaching to everyone how nasty they are. I mean, yes, you could be a voyeur and pass silent judgment but that is exactly what you are incapable of doing it. It's not enough that you engaged in a situation that would make you feel uncomfortable, you also feel uncomfortable that others are enjoying and then you NEED to shame them for making you feel uncomfortable when it was your choice to engage in a situation that triggers you.
If you can't post your opinion without shaming others and telling them you have higher MORALS (really? the moral line is shipping rape plot yaoi?) then your argument is already flawed.
Yes, everyone has the right to opinion but somewhat I find it unnecessarily wrong and impolite to go to Shotacon for instance, start a story with a plot I despise and then proceed to hang around chapter after chapter shaming the readers who are shipping the couple and asking them to explain themselves. I can't relate to readers who enjoy Shotacon but I can relate to the idea of respecting people's taste in fiction and knowing my business is not confront them with my particular view, especially if the premise of the story is something I know in advance that I don't like it.
Stop shaming the shippers. Let them see romance. Let them root for the couple. It will not affect your life and if it does affect your enjoyment of the story... again, that is on you to adjust and decide it it's worthy it. If you feel uncomfortable with others shipping something, it's your place to excuse yourself from the situation instead of ask people to adjust to your level of comfort.
Shippers, you don't need to feel shame. Nobody pays your bills, knows your life and what you have been through.