Am I the only one who thinks this has a really shitty message about transitioning and bein...

The only boi December 22, 2019 5:23 am

Am I the only one who thinks this has a really shitty message about transitioning and being trans? The main character experiences dysphoria and the story treats it like she can never become a "real woman" and therefore shouldn't transition or make an effort towards it. A story like this makes it seem like it's easy for trans people to just ignore their feelings and live the life of their birth sex. It also annoys me about how the main character seems perfectly ok with never expressing who they are in a manner that confused me about what the author was trying to say. The plot about the girl who was infertile also had huge problems with it because she states that no one will ever want to marry her because she can't have kids and never does the story try to make it clear that she is wrong and her ending makes it seem like if you are infertile you just be happy that anyone will care about you and to take what you get. Masaki, or whatever the fuck his name is, is a shitty person through and through and the story constantly rewards him for it. The story pretends it's deep or whatever but there is no real substance beyond a shitty message about conformity. Feel free to disagree but I honestly can't see why everyone likes this pile of burning garbage

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    almirah December 22, 2019 6:47 am

    but story was great
    as for trans they want to be woman cause they know they are not so be positive every one have there own expereinces

    The only boi December 22, 2019 7:17 am
    but story was great as for trans they want to be woman cause they know they are not so be positive every one have there own expereinces almirah

    I don't quite understand what you are saying so I hope I'm address your point properly. But you seem to understand what being trans means. Simply put, to be trans is to not identify with your birth sex and to desire a form of transition. My problem with this story is that it frames the idea of transitioning as something that isn't worth it. It isn't a matter of "being positive" or not; it is a matter of sending the right message and encouraging people to do what will make them happy

    almirah December 22, 2019 8:05 am
    I don't quite understand what you are saying so I hope I'm address your point properly. But you seem to understand what being trans means. Simply put, to be trans is to not identify with your birth sex and to d... The only boi

    being trans is worth of its own
    i was saying there are more of peoples how are reading are not of much of age to go behind its meaning and they are happy cause the in the ending trans person was happy with staying by his side, for that i was saying be positive
    and i also said every one has there own mind set,no?
    being trans is no bad thing instead its a good thing they too much courage and believe in themselves that outshine someone like us whom we call us normal or see we r different with them
    we r not different from them not even a little bit cause we also act on our desire they also act on there desire
    got that
    and for ur information does a trans become a woman??
    in this manga that fellow trans were just showing her reality if after accepting the reality he wants to try it then he welcomed him and even his dress and makeup him

    The only boi December 22, 2019 8:36 am
    being trans is worth of its own i was saying there are more of peoples how are reading are not of much of age to go behind its meaning and they are happy cause the in the ending trans person was happy with stay... almirah

    Ok so you clearly don't know what you are talking about and you need to do some research on the topic. I'm a trans man for the record and I have been out for over a decade. The trans woman in this story did not turn out happy and gave up on her identity for the sake of fitting into society which tells kids who read this that they can just stop being who they are if they try hard enough. I just want people to accept themselves and love who they are. Being trans isn't just some state of mind or whatever it is you are trying to say; being trans is a part of someone that they cannot change and shouldn't have to hide. I had a huge problem that the main character ended up being so happy by ignoring herself. The fact that you are using male pronouns also shows you are uninformed on this topic and should do some real research before you defend these toxic ideas. And while you are at it, you might want to practice your English because I can barely understand what you are saying

    almirah December 22, 2019 1:27 pm

    Ok u win
    I surrender ok

    almirah December 22, 2019 1:28 pm

    My point is not going through u

    Shineyy December 23, 2019 10:50 pm

    I disagree with you, The only boi. This story is real. It's not the fairy tale that you are wishing for it to be but it's still amazing. And I believe you got this story totally misunderstood.
    First of all, the main guy comes to balance with himself, physically and mentally. He doesn't love his body but he has learned to accept it instead of hating it. Which I believe is 100% better than him tearing his body apart to become something different.
    Second, I agreed with the Author on the statement that a man can never become a women that they can only "try to be like one". There is a reason why women who transform to men are called "transwomen" instead of "women". No matter who much you try to convince yourself, science is science.
    Third, Masaki is not a horrible guy. Of course, he's a womanizer and sleeps with a ton of women but hes never hurt or forced anyone into those relationships. And he does not get reward, he has talent, and talent takes you places.
    Lastly, infertility is not a problem in this story. The young girl is weak and unwilling to face her problems and that why she resorted to running away. She recieved the ending she did because of her actions. Until the end, she wasn't able to break free.

    I hope you reread this story again with an open mind because it is amazing.

    almirah December 24, 2019 5:42 am
    I disagree with you, The only boi. This story is real. It's not the fairy tale that you are wishing for it to be but it's still amazing. And I believe you got this story totally misunderstood. First of all, the... Shineyy

    yess exactly

    The only boi December 24, 2019 11:00 am
    I disagree with you, The only boi. This story is real. It's not the fairy tale that you are wishing for it to be but it's still amazing. And I believe you got this story totally misunderstood. First of all, the... Shineyy

    First of all, thank you for taking the time to write such a lengthy comment but your argument has two main flaws. While I can concede that Masaki's ending is meant to show how talent takes people places, I would still say that the main character's story is not about accepting herself. The fact that you use male pronouns to refer to the main character shows a lack of understanding when it comes to the idea of being trans. So if you don't mind, I'm going to correct a few ideas that you seem to have and suggest you do some research before jumping back into this debate if you so choose. This is a pretty small one but a trans woman refers to a male to female transperson. I don't disagree with the point that someone who is trans can't 100% become a biological woman but that doesn't mean people shouldn't transition or live the life they want to. The main lead feels legitimate dysphoria and feels very unhappy in her own body. Dysphoria is a serious problem and as a person who has experienced what it feels like to be in the wrong body, I can tell you that it feels like hell to have to stay there. The story paints the idea of living the life of someone you aren't as something good and something a trans person should pursue despite the fact that this often leads to suicide as queer kids tend to have a very high suicide rate in areas where they are forced to present as their birth sex rather than their gender identity. I also firmly disagree that transitioning can be described as "tearing [her] body apart". While transitioning medically is a very serious matter, people who go through with it find themselves happier and leading more fulfilled lives if that is what would make them happier. Then there is of course socially transitioning which doesn't require any medical whatsoever. I don't think someone should be, because of society, forced to accept a body that they don't want to live in or to live as someone they are not.

    Secondly, the plot about infertility stated explicitly that the girl involved couldn't get pregnant. Not much to correct on this one, honestly.

    Thank you again for taking the time to write out your argument but please be well informed on a topic before you choose to speak on it in the future.

    almirah December 24, 2019 11:08 am

    haha wow you are one to talk, look hoe long you have write

    The only boi December 24, 2019 11:20 am
    haha wow you are one to talk, look hoe long you have write almirah

    I'm sorry, I didn't know kindergartens were allowed up so late

    The only boi December 24, 2019 11:21 am
    I'm sorry, I didn't know kindergartens were allowed up so late The only boi

    *kindergarteners

    almirah December 24, 2019 1:26 pm

    what does it means??

    Shineyy December 24, 2019 6:18 pm

    I get that you personally went through similar stages but that does not make your arguement more valid than mine. I do understand the pronounce of trans. The main character is addressed as a male throughout the story and never once stated that he wanted to be address as a female. So you are the one here lacking the ability to understand the characters and the pronounce of trans. I have met many people who prefers to be called by their original gender.
    The main character is happy. I think that's where you're finding the hardest to understand because you cant wrap your mind around how it could be possible. Since the story doesnt have an official ending, I'm sure, he continues to accept the side of him that hes been hiding because he is now surrounded by people who are like him and makes him feel like it's okay to be who he truly is. And he's also learned to accept his body! I am genuinely happy for this character. I dont understand why you frame him to be this weak and sad being when he is no longer that anymore.
    Transitioning is not the answer for everyone theres been many cases where after going through the all surgeries, the individual begins to question its identity again and goes through a even larger crisis. Unsure if he or her choices were right, some transform back and others sucide.

    The young girl was weak, I honestly feel she used her infertility as an excuse to justify her actions. " no one gonna want me anyways." If she was stronger this wouldn't have been problem. Shes a beautiful and well educated young lady, the world is filled with billions of people. Any man will be blessed to have her.

    And again, just because you had similar experiences to the character doesnt mean you can discredit everyone elses statements. It come out as very arrogant and entitled.

    The only boi December 24, 2019 11:57 pm
    I get that you personally went through similar stages but that does not make your arguement more valid than mine. I do understand the pronounce of trans. The main character is addressed as a male throughout the... Shineyy

    As you seem to still not understand, the problem I have is that the story makes it seem like transitioning which does not just refer to medically transitioning and my problem is still the fact that she is portrayed as being happier with pretending she is someone else. I'm very tired and I'm starting to get quite annoyed at the general lack of information you seem to have on this topic. I don't think it is worth my time to repeatedly explain that people should be required to live the lives of people they are not. I have a problem with the fact that the character is happy at the end because I have met people who have taken their own lives believing that if they just live the life they were born into they will be happy. It is unrealistic and I don't think I need some kid who doesn't know what they are talking about to tell me about their uninformed opinion. I am 8 years into my degree for modern lit. after being homeless for almost a year a few years prior. I think I know a little bit more about framing than you do and I think I know a little bit more about being alive and the trans experience than you do. You really do sound like some privileged teen who has no idea what they are talking about so don't fucking come at me with the whole arrogant and entitled bullshit you are trying to project on me and how about you do some real fucking research before you write out some poorly written paragraph about something you clearly don't understand. If you end up going to college, I hope the inevitable culture shock does you good. Don't bother replying because I'm sick of arguing with children who don't know what they are talking about and need to stop acting like they are right just because they have some uninformed opinion. Have a nice time and I hope you grow up smarter than how you are acting right now

    The only boi December 24, 2019 11:58 pm
    As you seem to still not understand, the problem I have is that the story makes it seem like transitioning which does not just refer to medically transitioning and my problem is still the fact that she is portr... The only boi

    I meant meant to say shouldn't be required to live the lives of people they are not

    Shineyy December 25, 2019 6:13 am

    You're still entitled and arrogant . For you to attack me personal shows who childish you are lol. You know nothing about me. I could be a trans that overcame her issues with infertility and you wouldn't even have a clue. And yes I will not be replying to you anymore because you're a stubborn and know it all loser. :)

    seokjinie December 25, 2019 11:55 am

    while I agree with you, dude ... you're on a site that mainly caters to fujoshis, do you think any of them rly care abt actual trans rep past wow pretty boi likes guy

    The only boi December 26, 2019 10:46 am
    while I agree with you, dude ... you're on a site that mainly caters to fujoshis, do you think any of them rly care abt actual trans rep past wow pretty boi likes guy seokjinie

    Honestly, it's kinda sad that this kinda stuff is getting to kids who end up learning pretty terrible ideas about the queer community. Glad to see someone else here who actually gets this kinda stuff though. Guess I should have thought more about the kind of audience this site has lol.

    Okarisu December 26, 2019 11:13 pm

    I’ve seen manga like this before l thanks for the warning. Glad I didn’t waste my time.