Rape

Thank u for ur wise comment, mature, benevolent reader

It's cool and is an airhead myself so I get confused a lot. It took me over a month to figure out that both sides of a double door open and I only figured it out because someone showed me after I stud in front of it for like legit 3 minutes. Plus I just binged the manga so I still have everything very clearly in my memory and people were throwing out accusations that were correct about the wrong thing.

Chapter 11 is irrelevant. Sure, there may be a rape scene in the next chapter but what we have seen so far in chapter 10 is not rape. And there being rape in the next chapter won't make anyone claiming that the scene in chapter 10 is rape "truly right" or even right at all. It will just mean that there will be a second rape scene (the first one being in chapter 7, not 10.) You could say that it has developed into rape/will but that doesn't change the fact that what has happened in chapter 10 is not rape and to claim it is is nothing more and nothing less than an insult to those who got raped. Is it good? No, it's sexual harassment but it's not on the same level as rape yet.

Wanna talk about rape? Then go on and talk about chapter 7 that everyone seemed to brush over despite that being literal rape yet for some reason everyone ignored that and treated it as normal sex while complaining about rape that hasn't even happened - saying that a simple forced kiss is rape is just absurd.

Who is right about what?

Um nice. You put your two cents in but people are not even allowed to respond to you? Tone is difficult enough even at the best of times. This is not one of those times. T.

So, you like teasing people but don't like the consequences? "I'm going to tease you, but please, don't tease me".
Good luck with that.

"Should we stop reading the story? Oh hell no, it ain't causing any harm as long as we acknowladge it for what it is"
I super agree with you in everything you said, but I wanted to point out that it is impossible to keep in mind that it is fiction. Your conscious mind will know, but your subconscious will take it as real, because the feelings you have while reading it are real. So if you read about rape in a way that males you feel horny ir that links it to love, that is what your feelings will learn.
That is why fiction is so dangerous.

"you will see who is right"

>implies that I am wrong
>implies that you are right

Did you perhaps want to say "wait till the next chapter, we need more information/it may turn into rape" in which case my point still stands as I was referring to the general public of this comment section (most of them are at chapter 10) and referring to the events in chapter 10. Even if rape occurs in the next chapter, it doesn't change the fact that what happened in chapter 10 wasn't rape.

Plus people going around calling chapter 10 rape would incline people to think that if people are calling that (which is obviously not rape) to not believe that there is actual rape in this manga while there is actual rape in chapter 7. So here I am clearing up the big misunderstanding that has led to a lot of confusion.

Honestly, I do think that you're 100% right and in a way, I am slightly split on this topic as just as you said, it can end up in your subconscious mind. I do think that acknowledging it for what it is can counteract that and that we need to counteract that possible side effect since it has real word consequences.

Perhaps, if we acknowledge it for what it is and the fact that rape in yaoi is wrong even if it's under the pretense of love we can engrave it into the unconscious part of our mind so that it might counteract it. Thankfully most people here get that rape is wrong and have a brief understanding of what rape is but the fact that I haven't seen anyone point out that what happened in chapter 7 is rape makes me think that perhaps quite a few people on here need to be more educated on the topic.

However, that is nothing more than a short term solution and either way there is a possibility that just like you said we will start unconsciously thinking that love and rape are interlinked. In which case I do think that the responsibility of taking action by presenting rape as the horrible act it is or not presenting it at all. The same goes for quite a few 18+ communities e.g. hentai and porn. I'm sure that those people who are presenting rape in the same way as this author didn't do it on purpose to normalize rape, they just wrote the story like that because it's what all the other stories did. It already is a norm in yaoi which we can see by the whole idea of "yaoi logic." We just accept it because it's so common. So in other words, the authors just unconsciously made it like that. It's kinda like a circle. Rape is presented like this is yaoi because people see it being presented like this in yaoi so they present rape like this in yaoi. It's a vicious cycle.

Just like you said, fiction is dangerous in this case. And I suppose the only way to make it safe would be for a huge change to happen in the yaoi industry. I do think that it has improved since the early days and there are a few authors who present rape for what it is but we do in fact have a long way to go.

I am not disagreeing with you in the slightest, I feel that what you said just added to what I said (and made me consider the topic more) and now I am adding to what you said.

You suck at teasing. If you wanna tease me do it right plus what are you trying to gain by teasing me? Even if it was for fun, this is not the right setting as we are talking about rape.

Seriously, for someone who says that they were just trying to tease, you sure do take this really seriously.

The first 3 lines will not be treated as paragraphs for the sake of making it easy to distinguish which part I am relying to. p = paragraph

p1)
When someone says "you will see who is right" it's typically done with the knowledge of already being right. The use of the word "you" implies that I am the one missing knowledge, otherwise you would say "we" we will see who is right.

p2,p3) If that's the case why even say it?

"Just wait and see chapter 11. You will understand who is right."
It doesn't matter what happens in chapter 11, it will not affect my comment in any way what so ever.

p4)
What? I don't think there is a way you could have made this paragraph even more convoluted. Their point wasn't that the next chapter will be rape, go through the comment section and look for all the comments referring to rape. People are/were saying that what happened in chapter 10 was rape which is why I'm clearing things up. Also, even if there is rape in the next chapter it does not make the events in chapter 10 rape. nor will it make me wrong as I did not say anything along the lines of the uke not being about to be raped nor did I deny the fact that there is rape in this manga.

You do understand that in this situation I took neither side? I did not come in and say "there is no rape in chapter 10" nor did I come in saying "there is rape in chapter 10" which are the two main sides. Instead, the position I took agrees with both sides but in different ways,
-I am agreeing that the story has rape
-but, it did not happen in chapter 10

Sure, chapter 10 may lead up to rape in chapter 11 but nevertheless, that does not make the events of chapter 10 rape.

Did you state the opposite? Mate, you said that I will see who is right next chapter. Thus saying that the events in chapter 10 are relevant - otherwise why even bring it up at all?

p5,p6 )
What's with your attitude? Acting like I'm self-righteous? Can you not talk to me normally? So rude. And yes you should have been clear about what you were trying to say? It's not about who is right or wrong, why did you think I gave you the way to get out of this situation by saying "Did you perhaps want to say "wait till the next chapter, we need more information/it may turn into rape"? What do you expect me to do when you come in here, saying stuff like that?


p7)
Alright, cool by me but if it was just teasing then why are you trying to make this into such a big deal? You wrote reply long enough to be en essay.

p8)
It may be a fictional work but we are talking about something real, that actually happens. We are not talking about rape, not about Alice in the wonderland eating cookies (whatever it was) that made her big and then drinking a potion that made her little. Yes, the author is taking a nonchalant approach to the topic, why do you think I included those last paragraph in my original comment?

"shouldn't we stop reading this story"
>orginal comment, last paragraph.

>the rest
Orginal comment, paragraph 2 and my reply to Ahiva who has brought about an important topic/point I have failed to mention (Omg, how could I, the all-knowing goddess ever be wrong!?!?!? How could that B do something other than agree and worship everything I say? I need to end them. -> seriously you're acting like this is how I think/behave.)

Do I not know how perverts are made? Yeah, I am one. What's wrong with being a pervert? Who cares if someone is a BDSM freak or has a rape fetish? It doesn't mean they will go out and rape people. As long as they can tell the difference between rape and consensual sex (which can be shown by acknowledging that the events in chapter 7 as rape and the events in chapter 10 as not rape.) And you know what, being able to tell isn't some amazing thing, it's the bare minimum so you can't make a point about how because I can tell the difference I must think I'm some all-knowing godly being.

You are literally making a big deal out of nothing. You made a comment in which you were not clear, I replied, other people replies and now you are trying to make an argument while also failing to have read over everything I have said. You are asking questions I have already answered. What is your core issue with me (please narrow down your answer and make it as clear as you can.)

Tbh, I neither have the energy, the time nor do I want to continue this with you. I did skim over what you read but I honestly don't think there is a reason to continue this as it all boils down to nonsense. You hold no views other than arguing for the sake of arguing and honestly while I do love to argue, I don't see a point to argue over anything for no reason.

I get that you don't disagree with me, I ain't saying you are. I'm just here thinking like why are you trying to argue over nothing? You speak to me as though I am god knows what, talk to me in a way in which you would never speak to anyone in real life and are jumping from "hehe this is so fun" to just straight-up arguing. From my point of view, it basically seems like you're just trying to act as though this is funny out of some sense of desperation? I don't really know how to explain it to you but it seems like some sort of an act and to be entirely honest it's just sad. I ain't trying to call you pathetic or anything like that but the way you're acting sure does seem to be. I get that this is the internet but you're taking things way too seriously and I don't even know why you're arguing. Yes, you are arguing, if it was just a funny joke then you could have just pretty much said so instead of writing paragraph after paragraph trying to defend your stance (which you don't even have). It just doesn't go together, it's like an oxymoron. I mean it's understandable but there really isn't a point to it as it's pretty see-through.

So that's basically why I'm ending this "talk" that we are having. Hopefully, you don't take this the wrong way as I did try to say it as nicely as I could. Perhaps someday we will meet each other again and have a nice talk or maybe even joke around. And since you believe that I think that I can do no wrong, here is me admitting fault in one regard. I should have said this and ended this "talk" with you a lot sooner.

Have a nice day. I'm out. ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ﾉ~ (if it isn't waving then can you please pretend that it is? Grandma here ain't so good with technology and feels as though at least one of those things should be waving)

itai! S-senpai you're such a baka, I already told you that I don't want any more, you're making me blush ⁄(⁄ ⁄·⁄ω⁄·⁄ ⁄)⁄ *moans in Japanese while licking your holy feet* OWO your footsie wootsies smell like yummy yummy beacon... m-may I please senpai-chan????
*munches your footsie moistly*

Senpai you're such a tease ╥﹏╥

I'm here licking your footsie wooties and you won't even give me a kiss. Are -are you just using me for my body? I thought you loved me. How could you lie to me like that and break my little heart??? Nani did I do wrong?

...

*grabs onto your arm* Senpai chan please say something. *sarts bawling my eyes out*

But senpai, I been a good girl and have bathed in acid that has killed of all the germs, I ain't trying to flex as in my <3 you're #1 but I may even be cleaner than you ;)

I know you made this comment a while ago so someone probably already told you this, but I never looked at the comments. A manga is Japanese, a manhwa is Korean, and a Manhua is Chinese. This is a manhwa, you can normally tell from the author’s name (if it’s a Korean, Japanese, or Chinese name) and how it’s in a scroll format rather than page format. I don’t know that much about Manhua’s so you’ll have to look that up. I haven’t read that much manhua but from what I’ve seen they’ve been page and scroll format and tend to be colored (I could be wrong but I’ve only read a couple manhua). Manga are almost always in black and white unless if they decided to color it for some reason which is really rare and it wouldn’t be for the entire manga maybe a chapter or a few panels. Manhwa tends to be in color but there’s quite a few that are in black in white. I hope that clears some of it up. (Sorry for the long reply btw)

I just don't care, it's a thing you read and how you address it doesn't make a difference.

No offence, am just living a chill life

That's perfectly fine I just wasn't sure if you knew. I mean it doesn't hurt to know the difference right? Like if someone decided to ask you for manga recommendations and they only want to read a good manga and not something else and you recommend them some manhwa or something when they had in mind a manga those recommendations might not be as helpful to them because they didn't want to read a manhwa. I mean it's sorta if someone called manga comic books which technically manga are comics but you don't really refer to Japanese comics as comic books you call them manga. Or it's like if you call anime cartoons which is also technically not wrong just not how you would normally call it. Btw this is all just my opinion it's fine if you don't really care I just wanted to share my thoughts.

The "scroll" format won't tell you what country it comes from, it only tells you if it was made for being sold in paper or if it is meant to be read on the internet.
The mangas with scroll format are on the rise.

People honestly don't seem to care. It's manga and if they want something specific they should make it clear. Manga is just used as an umbrella term which explains why different types of manga are present on "mangago"