u said everything that was on my mind and i love you for that!
I always though that togane was not sure how he should handle the situation. He stayed away from yorozu when he though that yorozu was not ready for a same sex relationship, but couldn't let go at the same time, that is why he helped yorozu and for days he worked over hours or when he run to help yorozu costing him the dream of his life. You forget that togane didn't have an easy life too and look this by the prespective of uke's friend.
I love yorozu but in the beginning he made assumption that were homophobic and he was lying for months to togane.
Anyhow, that is why i love this kind of manga, the mcs seems more human when they do mistakes but face them and get stronger afterwards. I dont understand why in so many mangas i see comments always comparing the mcs about who is more righteous? Well for this manga...the mom wins all the way...both of the mcs did mistakes.
I agree and think that it's fine that Togane was not sure how to handle the situation; I think those feelings on his part are completely justified. And I also agree that Togane's life hasn't been easy either. But it seemed like the former was supporting evidence and the later was the reason why Togane was written at the beginning of the story to be a good guy, mature and level-headed. Ignoring one's problems is the immature thing to do, so it irked me that he wasn't just straight-up with Yorozu, sitting him down and talking to him (any number of times about any number of things), like a mature, level-headed adult would.
When authors choose to make the characters certain ages, I find that it's usually for the purpose of showing the presence or lack of a maturity/immaturity. Age gap comics like this tend to rely on a maturity gap for at least some of the drama; otherwise you'd make the characters about the same age. The immature one (usually a teenager) in the relationship does stupid and illogical things, causing needless drama, while the mature one (uhhh, usually in their 30s) is typically the one to work the couple through their problem(s) to a solution.
I guess for me, there wasn't enough evidence presented in this comic to explain why Togane acted in such an immature way over such a cliche plot device (seeing your crush with someone else) despite being written early-on as a level-headed adult. Like, doesn't everyone have friends of both genders? Who would get upset over this without even asking about it if it did bother you? (・_・ヾ
I get what you mean about maturity, but I am not sure if mature people won't do anything illogical. Everyone does stupid mistakes regardless their age irl. I didnt like what togane or yorozu did but i guess I am happy they managed to fix their problems in the end.
You are right though saying about the author present togane as "mature" since that was what yorozu saw and started falling in love with togane, but togane did support yorozu in his own way.
When togane saw yorozu with the girl (definetely cliche) I think that reality striked him hard (at least in his mind). Not only togane is a man but a very lovely and loveless person who works in one of the most "unethical" industries. He made that comment the moment his friend told him to go and say hello and after yorozu explained the situation between him and the girl he didn't budge. So i dont think he was upset but more disheartened.
Anyway without drama there is no story and this is kind of old yaoi. People got tired of certain tropes so the new mangas will be different and we wont need to read such cliche anymore....hopefully! ლ(´ڡ`ლ)
Ahhhhh... I guess I'm just disappointed because the setup was so good and different, and the potential was there to really knock it out of the park. （/TДT)/
Lol! Sorry! I just could not see it before, but now I get what you felt!
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Well-fucking-said. I want to punch that excuse of a seme.
No human doesn't communicate for 4 months and leaves their lover in the dark without telling them why he is avoiding them.
Well, thank god they are manga characters and not human... :P
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I don't if you're coming on to me here but either way you were the one who pointed out their action's resemblance to humans. Just saying
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....since i need to explain i will. I was ironic trying to avoid a long exlanation.
Your comment was groundless. " no human wouldn't communicate..." how do you know that? Have you met all human beings and you know so? There are people who will avoid tough situations.
My perseption of togane was different than yours. I have exlpained my reasoning. I think he was seeing himself as a second rate human being. I can elaborate more for the reasons i believe that and why in the end he took a wrong decision, but i believe my answer will be in vain so i wont. (￣∇￣")
Let me add a word, no 'norm' human wod do that. Okay? Okay.
normal*
Pardon me I wrote too fast
I like that you question and answer by yourself. You made me laugh!
A person who lost all his family at once, left school, started working in the porn industry to make a living could be consider out of the norm. "Okay? Okay!"
I never considered him normal, what I said was he can not be compared with other people because he is not an average person (as in what happened to him in his life), thus normal humans don't leave an important topic undiscussed with their lover and ignore them for several months. Oh and if this explanation of mine is wrong because you didn't say anything like this then that goes to your lack of skills of getting your point across, because I only understood about 55% of what you said. Okay? Okay. ( Not 'okay!')
And this argument is done because you don't really understand what I'm saying with that thick skull of yours.
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Damn girl. Eat a peach, relax and then decide if you actually want to punch the guy or not. (〜￣△￣)〜
Ps: you cant decide when to end the conversation just by blocking people after you said they have thick sculls.
Maybe she is getting the characters confused because I'm hella confused when it comes to her argument
Or maybe you're just retarded, ever considered that?
This one started out with such an interesting/compelling premise, and then forced the characters back into the BL mold, losing track of all of its innovation. The whole inherited "love hotel" thing that the uke wants to run, and how he performs work around the hotel was interesting. The pr0n-industry seme seeming as if (to the uke) that he's after the uke's underage brother, when it's just the seme missing his own brother, was very compelling. Life completely dumping all over the uke and his family in the bridge section was a great bit of juicy plot maneuvering.
This was all such a great set up. But then it trips and falls on its face.
First of all, let's get the uke's behavior out of the way because I'm really going to rip the seme apart and I want to explain why none of this is the uke's fault. The uke is effectively the man of his family, even if he's only 17. His father died, his mother works but isn't in great health, it's his job to help out at the hotel while he can, manage his little brother, etc. All of this has to be worked around his duties as a student, which, being on scholarship, means he has to work even harder than most just to stay on top so he can even _continue_ going to school. The uke has A LOT on his plate before the seme even shows up, and the uke isn't even an adult yet.
So, when a crew comes in to film a porn at the hotel and the director seems to take a suspicious "liking" to the uke's little bro, the uke is completely justified in being concerned about it. If this was a real story taking place in the real world, no joke the director would be suspected of grooming/going-after the kid. Now, Yorozu's method for dealing with the potentially naughty director was a bit far-fetched, but it was certainly devious, and got the job done (although it relied on the seme's promises being trustworthy, which.... *shrug*). A more adult way to deal with it would've been to talk it out, but given the uke is only 17, I think it's excusable that he chose a derpy method instead.
That said, the entire plot could've been circumvented by the two having a conversation at the beginning, which is not good news for the quality of the plot.
Anyway, after this compelling intro, we then have a role-reversal between the uke and the seme about half-way through, where the uke starts having to be an adult even though he isn't ready, and the seme starts acting like a childish kid, even though he's old enough and mature enough to know better than to behave like that.
Togane's childishness makes the whole back-half of the manga frustrating to read. Even if Yorozu was intentionally deceiving Togane since the beginning, he didn't really deserve to be treated like a thrown-away piece of garbage by Togane. Yorozu is a vulnerable kid in an extremely bad situation, plus his concerns about his brother's well-being were legit. He needed support and all the help he could get, not abandonment without a word. Togane is the adult here. It is inexcusable that he didn't just sit Yorozu down and explain to him why they should break their relationship off. ESPECIALLY after learning about all the hardships Yorozu was having to go through. Closure would've been better for Yorozu than constant fretting over whether they were still a thing.
And also, come on. Togane basing his entire ditching of Yorozu on seeing Yorozu at the festival with a girl and then not talking to him about it is the sort of trashy, forced-separation trope based on illogical lack-of-communication that is inexcusable in a manga with this good of a setup. (or relying on the observations and judgement of a straight guy about some other guy's as-yet-undefined sexuality, wtf even. ASK him about it, Togane!)
Again, I should reiterate that Yorozu is in high school. He is still figuring himself out. If he finally decides he's gay or bi, that's completely his call to make. Togane trying to force straightness onto Yorozu is only there to generate/extend the drama. I can't stand reading this trope any number of times it comes up in various BL comics. The characters are the sexuality they believe themselves to be, not other peoples' judgements of them.
So needless to say it is immensely frustrating to watch Yorozu go meet Togane after he comes back from Kenya, because Togane and his childish behavior doesn't deserve Yorozu's devotion. Togane was the one who screwed up and screwed everything up, and should instead have to chase Yorozu to make up for it, not the other way around. Please stop forcing the uke to take on the burden of the seme's bad behavior!