My two cents about all this rape discussion...

MangaSanctuary September 8, 2019 5:07 pm

This yaoi is a work of fiction made to entertain the readers, nothing more, nothing less. Plus it's porny to the core, with a sex craze psycho Seme. How did you imagine the outcome of such situation when you present him a pretty boy for him to embrace ?

Some may dislike it for different reasons, I know I love this manhwa because it's intriguing, with such beautiful art. There are not many yaoi works these days that can fascinate me that much. Though seeing how our fellow Fujoshis battled about the latest raw chapter21 over whether it's rape or not (while we finally got to see them give us Lemons), and seeing some odds details in Nakyum drunk behavior, I wonder if the Author doesn't deliberately create a situation where Nakyum is too drunk - but at the same time enough conscious to do certain things, in order to fit their plot :D

I myself never drink, and I will surely not drawn myself in alcohol just to know what are the effects lol; we know all the consequences of such behavior.
So I asked yesterday to a male friend of mine, who used to party a lot with his male and girl friends back to school. They were all pretty much heavy drinkers. I talk to him about the problematic of this situation (chap 19-21). I took the time to ask him even minor details about how react a person in different situations of drunkness; how that person perceive things and feels things...
We know alcohol desinhibate a person and confuse them to make bad decisions or being victims of abuse; that's why one shouldn't immerge themselves in beverages.
He told me how these girls who used to hang around them were so drunk the boys could've just raped them if they wanted; the vulnerability of girls in such situation... and how girls aren't even aware of that.

I asked him about vision senses and voices, and he just confirmed what I thought:
the vision of a drunk person can be heavily affected, but that person is still capable to discern voices, therefore to discern pretty much who is who. This is what happen when one is drunk but not to the point of confusing people.

Following this, my friend was categorical with the fact that when a person is really drunk (like Nakyum, to the point where they can't perceive anymore who's they're talking with/do things with...), they would normally not be able to walk properly nor talk properly; not capable to stand on their feet, the drunk would normally try to lay down on the floor. Then, they would soon pass out from alcohol and collapse in sleep/or coma for the worst case.
They would not be able to control anything anymore nor make decision, and this is how people can abuse them/rape them the easiest way.

Aside this, I witnessed some very drunk behaviors among some friends and even when they can't stand anymore or walk properly, they could still hear us and respond back to us pretty clearly and know it's us. So it seems the body/capacity to walk and vision are the first senses to be affected in such circontumstances. Alcohol can have different effects depending on the person. But if they're still conscious and can speak clearly, they are still capable to tell appart people and make decisions, all desinhibited they can be.

Though this is not what we see in Nakyum's behavior (chap 19-21). He was capable to walk to the door where was standing Seungho (in his imagination, In Hun), then started confessing and kissing him. All this while having his eyes wide open and in a room that's pretty clear.
A bit later (chapt 20), he exchanges sexual conversation with Seungho with his eyes full open, cries and have sex while being still conscious, while still thinking it's In Hun...? (chap 21). But he does hear the voice of Seungho and can know that's Seungho. So how come ? lol. This is what I find strange, lol.
At this state, Nakyum, who seems to be in control of his movements and isn't constraint, chooses to sleep with the man he thinks is In Hun. Though if Nakyum was daydreaming till then, it's pretty hard to believe that after that vision of the face of Seungho (that doesn't have glasses and with a jaw less large than In Hun), he still think he's having sex with the teacher.
I think that at this point, after being taken in every positions by Seungho during the Lemons, he can guess who he's sleeping with, but too desinhibited by alcohol, he just let it go...

It's hard for me to believe that after doing all this and with the pain of his first time, Nakyum doesn't have a clue about what he's doing or that he still doesn't know with whom he's doing that. He holds his partner and replies back, hear his voice...
He was drunk, but I think he was also daydreaming lol. There are contradictives details that makes me think Author-Nim arranged the situation to fit their agenda.

I'm not saying I'm excusing what Seungho did, or try to embellish the situation.
What Seungho did was wrong, he shouldn't give in to Nakyumg and take advantage of the drunk NK. But at this point, I wouldn't call this rape. Btw, Nakyum has his part of responsability, he shouldn't have drank like this.
In this, both have their part of responsability, Seungho's part being heavier obviously.

Responses
    MangaSanctuary September 8, 2019 5:21 pm

    I'm glad, personally, that Nakyum had his first time with Seungho. The Lord was really caring to him and loving, and that's the most important to me as an avid reader of this story ^^ They show so much chemistry and are perfect for each other (at least, in bed, we'll see what will happen next).
    He'll wake up with a terrible migraine and will hate on Seungho, but will eventually learn with time that his love-interest In Hun is not for him.

    Never in Earth In Hun would be capable to give something like this to Nakyum, the teacher is too homophobic and self-centered, haugthy to even considerer giving love to a low-born. I can't even imagine if it were In Hun standing there at the door, and not Seungho. Without doubt, he would reject violently the drunk painter, with disgust, wipe his mouth off this infame kiss of a deviant homo and throw hurtful, endless mean words to him. Nakyum would be finished in pieces.
    Thanks for reading my long rant, if you had, and I'll wait the outcome chapters to give a complete judgement of that explosive situation.
    ヾ(❀╹◡╹)ノ~

    FanFanTulipe September 8, 2019 5:59 pm

    I liked the way u have explained

    MangaSanctuary September 8, 2019 6:13 pm
    I liked the way u have explained FanFanTulipe

    Thanks! My english isn't perfect so it's not the best to explain all my ideas, but I did my best. Glad you appreciate it.
    Those are just my thoughts and everyone has the right to think otherwise. The way these last chapters were made is not easy to determine whether it's really rape or not, but I choose the option "no rape" because there are too many weird details too convenient from Nakyum behavior for me to call this rape. I hope will get more details in the following chapters to know whtat's really going on.

    FanFanTulipe September 8, 2019 6:21 pm

    Your English is better than mine, certenly. There is too many discussion about this yaoi, so many people disagree, I like the drawning and the story, point cheer from Lux

    MangaSanctuary September 8, 2019 6:31 pm
    Your English is better than mine, certenly. There is too many discussion about this yaoi, so many people disagree, I like the drawning and the story, point cheer from Lux FanFanTulipe

    Ho you think? Then my efforts are paying off...? ^^
    You also have a nice english.
    Yeah, many different opinions, that's good too... Even if it's not always easy.
    This manwha is really something, and it's fantastic we share the same interest for this yaoi. Thanks and cheer from France (づ ̄ ³ ̄)づ

    FanFanTulipe September 8, 2019 7:34 pm

    Salut mon voisin!

    MangaSanctuary September 8, 2019 8:18 pm
    Salut mon voisin! FanFanTulipe

    Je suis une voisine
    Salut à toi aussi !

    FanFanTulipe September 8, 2019 8:44 pm

    Moi aussi je suis une voisine

    MangaSanctuary September 8, 2019 8:57 pm
    Moi aussi je suis une voisine FanFanTulipe

    Eh bien enchantée ! Je me suis permise de jeter un oeil sur ton profil, et j'y ai vu des BL que j'ai pas encore lus.

    FanFanTulipe September 8, 2019 9:09 pm

    C’est vrai ? Je suis contente pour toi J’a le goût peu particulier, yaoi en préférence

    MangaSanctuary September 8, 2019 9:24 pm

    Oui, Hikyoumono dato waratte kuro, par exemple. Le dessin est magnifique et l'histoire pas mal du tout. Ça sort de l'ordinaire.
    Ça va, tu as plutôt bon goût Je consomme beaucoup de yaoi, mais bien peu me passionnent vraiment, j'ai des goûts assez difficiles.

    FanFanTulipe September 8, 2019 10:03 pm

    Merci, je vais le lire, il est minuit, je te souhaite une bonne nuit

    FanFanTulipe September 8, 2019 10:05 pm

    J’ai adoré CLUB

    MangaSanctuary September 9, 2019 11:30 am
    J’ai adoré CLUB FanFanTulipe

    Salut ! J'espère que t'as bien dormi ^^
    Tu veux dire, CLub, le Yuri ? Sinon je ne connais pas ce manga/manwha (?)
    Un lien ?
    Mais j'ai bien aimé Le Yuri avec le mot Club, car la brune était trop handsome et virile ! :D (/TДT)/ Pour moi, je la voyais plus comme un homme, tbh. Elle est même plus virile que certains hommes ^^

    FanFanTulipe September 9, 2019 5:37 pm

    Salut! Comme un bébé CLuB, Yuri, tu as raison, dommage que ça soit si court

    MangaSanctuary September 9, 2019 6:48 pm
    Salut! Comme un bébé CLuB, Yuri, tu as raison, dommage que ça soit si court FanFanTulipe

    Oui, trop court ! J'ai bien aimé et en plus c'était super drôle, surtout quand le type se ramasse tout seul comme un flan sur le sol
    Elle a débuté un autre chapitre mais je ne sais pas si c'est la même histoire