I’m very curious about one thing I always see many manga, webtoon from Korean or China d...

Turbo July 14, 2019 12:41 am

I’m very curious about one thing
I always see many manga, webtoon from Korean or China dispicting European or England style inspired history with king, queen, prince, and princess like that. But the west knows that if they were to make up story about let say Chinese or Japanese history for entertainment purposes, they will get slender for it. So how can Asian do it but the west can not.
I’m Asain, and I don’t understand.

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    Orangatanganlamabama July 14, 2019 1:04 am

    I don't really know either. I can't say ive read a lot of historical webtoons/manhwa but here's what I think:

    I'm South Asian, and I dread the idea of a westerner making a story taking place in that history. Theres a chance that they might completely slander it. Look at Aladdin (cartoon): it's supposed to take place in an Arabian setting, yet is completely innacurate in a lot of ways. Jasmine would not be dressed in such imodest clothing, as at that time Arabia was a modest society. You wouldn't be caught dead in that kind of clothing.

    Now Arabian and South Asian culture is quite similar. To us, Jasmine is the closest representation in media we have (for some reason people forget that Asian people are people who come from the whole of Asia, not just the East). I dont care personally, but a lot of people dislike that when we have so little rep, it isn't accurate anyway.

    Now I'm not saying you have to be 100% historically accurate when you make that stuff (after all, artistic licence is a thing), but it helps to avoid offense by at least knowing the basic stuff like what people wore at that time or their mannerisms and cultural differences back then.

    Again, it's not so much of a big deal for me (i just want the story bruh), but i think thats the reason some people feel that way?

    TrulyAGoldExperience July 14, 2019 1:08 am

    that's nothing new. If they cast a white actor for an extabilished black character they'd get literally bashed off the face of earth for it, but casting a black actor for an extabilished white character brings praise. See the little mermaid.

    When a story requires it, an mostly asian cast, or mostly black cast (crazy rich asians, black panther) is super well received, but a mostly white cast for let's say, a victorian era themed movie is still frowned upon.

    I'm super hyped for things like the new mulan being entirely casted with chinese actors, and hopefully MADE for chinese viewers unlike the cartoon. I was super stocked with black panther's cast and I appreciated all the bits of different cultures they used as ispirations for the clans. Of course both of these have respectively chinese and black directors, but it's just right that way.

    On the other hand...something like the live action little mermaid being black is so empty and political. On top of that, imagine someone like pochaontas being portayed by a blonde chick or something. It's just pointless to change pre existing characters, and people who say it's nice are just cowards tbh. Just make a NEW story, a new poc princess. No need to this, especially if the same people praising it would be spitting poison if the situation was reserved.

    Orangatanganlamabama July 14, 2019 1:29 am
    that's nothing new. If they cast a white actor for an extabilished black character they'd get literally bashed off the face of earth for it, but casting a black actor for an extabilished white character brings ... TrulyAGoldExperience

    You make a pretty good point! It is pretty hypocritical of people to do that.

    My only counter-argument is that Ariel isnt a character based upon a certain culture. Like, Pochantas' story is specific to Native Americans. Mulan's story is specific to China. Maxican culture is so important to Coco, the entire concept alone is literally dependant on it. cant change the race of these characters without changing their stories, as their culture is what the story is based upon. Ariel is just a mermaid- nothing about her is culturally relevant to anyone. Her story isn't specific to a certain culture or ethnicity. Technically she as a character isn't even white (do fish people have the same race as humans? Or are their races judged on their tail colour or smth?), the actor just would be.

    I do agree on needing more poc characters. This is off topic, but I'm done with all these disney remakes. I feel like disney is running out of good original ideas, and are biding time with their reliable cash cows. The remakes arent really any good, but people come to see them regardless because they liked the originals. I personally would really want to see an Indian/S.Asian princess.

    TrulyAGoldExperience July 14, 2019 1:43 am
    You make a pretty good point! It is pretty hypocritical of people to do that. My only counter-argument is that Ariel isnt a character based upon a certain culture. Like, Pochantas' story is specific to Native A... Orangatanganlamabama

    I hadn't thought about that, but that's a good point.
    I don't know if I'm reaching here, but the fact that all non-white princess have their culture as a defining trait might not be a super good thing. It might have been when they came out decades ago, but right now a randomly non white princess might be the better choice. Under that light, maybe black ariel is not that bad after all.
    I wouldn't really have cared if not for how hypocritical it actually is for people to be 100% on this when we know what they'd do in a different case :T

    Also yeah, I honest to god haven't watched any of the live actions. I'm really not interested in princess stories, they weren't my favorite cartoons when I was a kid, and as for now they only hold nostalgia value. But of course that's lost in a new adaption, so I'm not really the demographic for it I guess.

    Turbo July 14, 2019 1:44 am
    I don't really know either. I can't say ive read a lot of historical webtoons/manhwa but here's what I think:I'm South Asian, and I dread the idea of a westerner making a story taking place in that history. The... Orangatanganlamabama

    I don’t really care too. That’s why I’m curious about this because I saw many people get offended by certain things that to me wasn’t really harmful. It’s like nowadays we were brainwashed to be sensitive and easily offended. They said cough “Mulan” cartoon was not historically accurate. I get it but as I watched it as a child I don’t go point out this is true or wrong, I just knew she is Chinese and enjoyed the story.

    TrulyAGoldExperience July 14, 2019 1:46 am

    I guess I'll watch mulan though, I hope to see chinese culture actually represented this time, with no stuff like mulan cutting her hair to ''look like a man'' in an era where men in china had long hair anyway lul

    TrulyAGoldExperience July 14, 2019 1:56 am
    I don’t really care too. That’s why I’m curious about this because I saw many people get offended by certain things that to me wasn’t really harmful. It’s like nowadays we were brainwashed to be sensi... @Turbo

    people ARE overly sensitive, the politically correct wave kinda made creators scared and consumers nitpicky. Like, the beauty and the beast is not really an accurate depicting of mid 1700s france either, but nobody really cares.

    To be fair I guess mulan is still the only asian princess, and when people who get so little content they tend to tear what they get to bits because they want it to be perfect.
    I see this with any show who tries to incorporate gay characters, and while they often do a lousy job, people are also complaining A LOT more.

    I kinda get it, but the message that it's being sent is that if you take the step and do incorporate what people want, they'll also jump on your ass and try to cancel you twice as fast. So a lot of shows just don't take the risk and we're stuck with mostly white straight men in media.

    Turbo July 14, 2019 2:12 am
    people ARE overly sensitive, the politically correct wave kinda made creators scared and consumers nitpicky. Like, the beauty and the beast is not really an accurate depicting of mid 1700s france either, but no... TrulyAGoldExperience

    I understand, and thank you for your responses. It was a topic that I’m afraid to talk about, so I’m grateful that you answered my question. Mangago is really a great site.