Kinda...? I mean Donghyun used to always drag him around and Sungho was easily manipulated by the other, and even when he hated it Donghyun still forced him into sex... I guess that’s it
No. in the past anyway. it wasn't rape, he agree to do it. read this again and see. even if the other kind of blackmail him, he gave him a choice to leave.
No. In fact sungho was the one who initiated the intercourse bc he was too afraid being ditched by dohyun.Unpopular opinion to share. I think sungho has always lusted for dohyun, but his moral compass and logical thinking surpressed all those inner desire. It bothered him a bit to reveal their gay relationship bc he was a good son and honor student. Dohyun on the other hand, has nothing to lose and in addition to his carefree nature, he just didnt bother to display his PDA wth sungho to public. It was some kinda fucked up circumstances that screwed the up big time if u know wat i mean.(. In the raws, the minute prior to his suicidal attempt, sungho masturbated himself and cummed while pining for the sex flashbacks he had wth dohyun, come to think of it, why wud he do that if he detested sex, right?)
Tbh i really hope they would be together
and no one has to die.
Not really sungho only seemed to wanted donghyun's complete attention, his abandonment issues led him to get sexually coerced. He didn't like it, he only wanted to spend time with donghyun. It didn't have to be sexual. The kinkier dongyun got with him, the study play, the cake play, the vibrarators.. The more sungho felt sexually violated but he tolerated it because otherwise donhyun would leave. He repeated all of the roleplays dohyun did to him in that warehouse, so that he could experience things from his perspective. I think, in a way sungho also has Stockholm and now dohyun does do. All they've done so far is hurt each other.
Also did anyone notice that panel before suicide, the taped mouth? I feel like there's more to come about the real reason of the suicide attempt.
Yes, i do agree that he seemed a bit reluctant and disgusted abt sex, that was then, but now i think he adopts both emotions, lust and love he's been harboring towards dohyun.
There's a small detail abt sungho's inner thought and action in this latest 53 translated version that testified how does he actually feel abt skinship.
"I want to feel you more.." fr sungho to dohyun as he gazed upon him. Then wthout second thought, he kissed dohyun and initiated sexual touch again. If this isn't lust, idk what it is anymore.
That taped mouth was dohyun's, not sungho fyi. Previously when he couldnt handle rejection from dohyun and almost raped him.
Yeah, that's why a asked, i think Sungho was the one with the taped mouth. I kind of think he was raped by someone other than Dongyun.
There's a possibility bc in the chapter 36 page 18, remember whn dohyun purposely hung up sungho's call?
Someone turned up later and sungho kissed that person. Well im pretty sure that wasnt dohyun, bc that time he was busying shopping the CD gift fr sungho and also he only appeared before his eyes when sungho was escorted by police. Someone else was in the warehouse night prior. Sungho thought he was dohyun, may be bc it was too dark in the room.
and if it's true, that really explains where's sungho's resentment plus revenge came from. He probably blamed dohyun for all those manipulation that led to that tragic thing happened to him.
let say he was raped by someone in that night, how it is Dohyun fault again? and no he didn't told him to wait for him in the werehouse. it was Sungho decision to wait for him there. so even if it is his reason, it still crazy and not Dohyun fault at all.
ana again he did gave him a choice to leave this relationship. it was Sungho decision to stay.
Im not tryin to take side, pls dont get me wrong. I was just pointing out my thought in sungho's perspective point of views prior his suicidal attempt (in the upcoming chapter 54.. But that's being said, we cant deny that dohyun did employ a small but subtle degree of manipulation to get what he wanted. All this bc he knew how much sungho valued him and i hate admit that he took a little advantage out of it. But not saying that's wrong for doing that, it is understandable after what hes been thru, he was afraid being abandoned once again by someone he loved so much. I would only blame to trust and misunderstanding issue that screwed up their relationship, i prayed wholeheartedly that it not too late fr them to mend their relationshp.
oh okay, I thought you meant it was all Dohyun fault XD ohh I see, it make sense, Sungho still sounds a little crazy though. he need help and a lot of therapy. he really needs therapy.
I want to think it's not too late for them to have a better relationship, but I know it already too late. both of them become fuck up especially Dohyun after all the rape, his mind seemed totally broken（/TДT)/
Oh nobody is blaming dohyun, we just saying that sungho was too mentally unstable for dohyun to approach him. Plus i don't think sungho actually like the sex, he consented only to keep dohyun from abandoning him. I think it was raep for him and that he developed Stockholm where he presumed dohyun to be his captor and tormentor and eventually fell in love with his tormentor who put his mental state in a break down to point of suicide. Dohyun never saw what went on in sungho's mind or the suffering he had, he already had too much on his own plate. Sungho's state of mind slowly broke down with each sexual experience, the kinkier it got, the harder it became for sungho to bear and he didn't share it with dohyun at all. Instead him drawing back from sexual activities felt like rejection to dohyun. And so once again sungho let him have sex with him so that dohyun won't leave him but he still did, he felt betrayed and violated and wanted dohyun to experience what he did. Unable to escape and forced to be confined in the warehouse having kinky sex being unable to reject at all. Symbolically what happened to dohyun physically, all happened to sungho mentally in that warehouse. I think the author is kinda amazing for putting up such a dark plot.
Plus i also think something other than dohyun leaving sungho happened to sungho just like cass said. That would make more sense as to why sungho turned from such a precious boy to a psycho raepist.
Dohyun did a bit manipulation yeah, but he did not know how sungho percieved it, so he's actually innocent.
Tho when sungho made dohyun experience the same things he did, we see a difference in reaction, the situations were same, only the roles were exchanged and dohyun was more vocal about what he didn't want while sungho used to keep it all in.
I have burning question left unanswered till nowadays, how on earth sungho attracted to dohyun, i mean look at him, he's so charming even wth that radical scarred face hes still so smoldering hot. Also why he waited for 9 yrs later to take revenge not immediately after dropping out of the school? Where's sungho's parents as far as i know they moved from warehouse to sungho's home already, so where's the rest of family?
I tried to seek answers or some hints at least fr QA sessions but still, i couldnt get plain answrs
there is things that you said that I do agree, like sungho is not stable and wasn't from the start. and things like " I think it was raep for him and that he developed Stockholm where he presumed dohyun to be his captor and tormentor and eventually fell in love with his tormentor who put his mental state in a break down to point of suicide."
according to Stockholm definition it a state of mind that created by someone that kidnapped someone else and hold him for a long years in one place, and I mean years. so in this cause dohyun never did that!! never. you compare it to what Dohyun did.
so you can't say sungho did the same thing to what Doyun did to him, cause it isn't the same at all. with that I don't agree, sungho want over the line and just break him down to pieces. what Dohyun never try to do or even was close to doing.
the situations was never the same! Dohyun never hold or force him to stay tied up in one room for a long time, and he did gave him a choice to leave. that is a big difference.
Dude stockholm is not just about kidnapping, it is also found in victims of sexual abuse as a defense mechanism, since they are unable to escape their sexual abuser for some possible reason, their brain does this defense thing and makes them think they are in love, so that they can cope with the trauma.
That is what i said the difference was, the things dohyun experienced physically, sungho experienced mentally. Though I don't think my point is reaching you.
I'm saying that sungho couldn't say no because he was afraid that dohyun will let him go, because of that he left dohyun play out his sexual fantasies on him.
You are right that sungho did not say no but dohyun did say no when sungho did the same things to dohyun that were done to him. Do remember that besides the ropes, every single pose or position or kink they did was a repition of what sungho went through in the past.
I'm not blaming dohyun, I'm just saying that sungho is mentally complex, he let himself be sexually assaulted just so he wouldn't get abandoned and then as a defense mechanism he tried to be in love with dohyun. Though when he got rejected by dohyun, it all fell apart. He then started to see his long ass silent suffering during their sexual moments as abuse worthy of revenge because he believed that he loved dohyun enough to let him sexually assault him but dohyun didn't see his sacrifices at all, so he wanted to play it all out so that this time dohyun will put him in his place and see how his mind was confined in the same ropes mentally in which he put dohyun physically.
Sungho's mind was trapped within a warehouse where dohyun always had his way with him, he couldn't get out of it mentally. So he physically put dohyun in one so that he can experience the same, that is his revenge.
Again, i keep saying, dohyun actually kmows none of this, he did a bit of manipulation yeah but he didn't know sungho's state of mind. He didn't deserve this.
My only point is that sungho has his own mental state where things make sense for him. He does not understand he's doing wrong and that is why he can do it without batting an eye. He is a victim of another kind too and hence a psychopath
First you talking about this right: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_syndrome
then read the definition and tell me if this is the same of what dohyun did, and no it have nothing to do with rape. rape is something else.
I don't agree Dohyun rape him, to rape someone is to do it without his consent. which again does not true about sungho case. why? case Sungho love him and was obsessive about Dohyun even before the sexual stuff. he choose to go after him, he choose to smoke and be with his friends. in the end his emotion's is very twisted, and I can say even more then Dohyun. don't get me wrong, Dohyun is twisted has wall XD
First off dude, I'm a psychology major in college i know Stockholm, if you need to study it don't use Wikipedia only, not your best source, Stockholm is not just as simple as kidnapping and falling in love. It is applicable to all kinds of confinements, even the mental ones where the perpetuator has all the control over your mind and you can't escape them. So as a defense your brain pretends to be in love. It's even present in cases of domestic violence sometimes.
I keep saying Dohyun didn't rape him, please listen clearly what I'm saying is that sungho believes he was sexually assaulted.
Yes sungho gave verbal consent but mentally he didn't like the sexual contact, he was only afraid of getting abandoned by dohyun.
Reread the chapters about their sexual encounters, sungho most of the time is putting up with it forcefully so that dohyun doesn't leave him. He is consenting verbally but mentally he doesn't like it and to cope with that as a defense mechanism he thinks he's in love with dohyun so that the sexual contact for him doesn't feel like he's being assaulted.
What I'm saying is sungho wasn't in love with dohyun, he was obsessed and he allowed sexual assault upon himself over the fear of being abandoned and thought of it as love when something within him kept clicking that this wasn't it and currently he's again pretending to be in love but now due to lima syndrome.
I hope I'm more clear now?
Yap thank you ^_^ it felt like you talking about something else then stockholm, and yeas I didn't study psychology. but I do know that they say you don't know the kidnapper before he kidnaps you in stockholm. this is my problem in putting stockholm to anyone that felt trap by someone else, cause yeas it is not that simple. at least to me.
and here it feel much more complicated then just he felt trap, so he force himself to fall in love. I don't know, it feels out of place and too simple. like I think he also wanted to be have a place in Dohyun group. I think it also point to social pressure or peer pressure whatever it's called, a very well known phenomenon that I"m sure you know off has well. so what I"m trying to say it's not just one thing, it many things together. I think it more of social pressure since they were in high school. it very fit that time to fall easily into that sort of thing.
that's why I doubt that it only stockholm. but that only what I think so... ╮(￣▽￣)╭
the part that you said that he force himself to fall in love is up to interpretation, which again can be view in different ways by people. again I don't think his "feelings" and obsession started only after the sexual parts, I don't think he know what love even mean or relationship for that matter, Sungho I mean. I think it started way before they even did anything sexual, when he comes to his house, when he let him force him to smoke. it those little things that I think was there to show that he had a twisted way to want to get close to someone and at the same time didn't want to be close to someone or was even ready to for it in mentally.
and Dohyun have his own mental problems cause of his environment. I think in a way Dohyun know he should not be a part of a relationship, but since he got too far with him, which I don't think he was going for from the start, he just roll with it. I was surprised he was holding up for so long with him well until Sungho snap at him.
was Sungho raped in the past?