The Infamous Triangle

Amberwaves January 25, 2019 7:32 pm

The plot is obviously leading to a triangle, which depending on how it is handled can be either good or bad. The fact that this triangle situation might be based on a mistaken identity (bro for MC) IMO doesn't help. Does the blond haired guy actually like older bro at all or are his feelings just a childish infatuation? Because the brothers are different. And if the blond guy only likes whoever because of a childhood memory how real is his feeling? Conversely, if his feelings for bro are real, then the childhood stuff, which may have started it, is no longer important.
Even then, with this kind of triangle the problem is always from the start that the guy in middle has to switch his affections from the one who doesn't return them to the one who does without making it seem like he is settling or emotionally shallow.

Responses
    Shindere January 26, 2019 6:39 am

    Blonde guy probably like the brother because the brother act all nice on the outside. But really, the brother is a cold person on the inside acting nice to blend in.

    My prediction is that the blonde will try to use the MC to get close to the brother while the MC falls for the blonde. Then the blonde finds out the the brother is actually really cold and falls for the MC instead.

    Amberwaves January 27, 2019 12:15 am
    Blonde guy probably like the brother because the brother act all nice on the outside. But really, the brother is a cold person on the inside acting nice to blend in. My prediction is that the blonde will try to... Shindere

    That kind of relates to the last part I wrote about the problems with triangles of this kind. Sure we can be deceived by someone, even someone we think we know and care about, but a lot of the times the person deceived is also to blame because they weren't really looking that hard. Is the blond guy into the brother for who he really is or just who the blond guy thinks he is based on mistaken identity and superficial impression of "niceness"? In other words does the blond guy really know all that much about the brother at all? Is his feeling not rather superficial and shallow based on nothing more than his own ideas of the brother without any real basis?
    So how are we as readers to feel about his feelings for the brother until he "discovers" the truth? Can we respect them or do we feel that the blond guy has a childlike crush on a movie star?

    Shindere January 27, 2019 3:56 am
    That kind of relates to the last part I wrote about the problems with triangles of this kind. Sure we can be deceived by someone, even someone we think we know and care about, but a lot of the times the person ... Amberwaves

    I can only speak for myself and I say I would be able to respect and would even admire the blonde for liking a kind and caring person even if it end up being a fake personality. If you ask me, there is nothing shallow about liking a person that you think is kind and caring. It is when people don't care about what's on the inside and only care about looks and appearance that makes them shallow. But that is only if the blonde like the brother because he's kind and not because of his looks.

    If that was the case, rather than shallow, I'd say it's naive.

    Amberwaves January 27, 2019 7:41 pm
    I can only speak for myself and I say I would be able to respect and would even admire the blonde for liking a kind and caring person even if it end up being a fake personality. If you ask me, there is nothing ... Shindere

    This is the kind of question where it very much depends on the person and situation. If a person is no more nice to x person than he is to y, and x doesn't know anything personal beyond that he is a nice person, then x's knowledge and acquaintance of that person is fairly superficial. If x feels that he or she likes (in a romantic way) and cares about that about that person, then x does so based really on their own feelings and not because x knew anything about the person in question.

    Plenty of people are nice. Or can seem that way when we don't know them too well. It is easy to imagine that another person is all things wonderful when you don't really know them, and only get to see the nicer side of themselves that they generally show publicly.

    But just why does he like the bro? He thinks he's nice, admires him as his professor, and thinks the bro is his childhood hero. Does that sound like love? 2 out of 3 are more hero worshiping than loving, which leaves nice. I'm sure he would also add handsome and all those other things. But just how much time will he have spent with bro as his student? I guess what I'm saying is blond guy has pretty much decided to be in love with bro because he wanted to be.

    Shindere January 28, 2019 4:09 am
    This is the kind of question where it very much depends on the person and situation. If a person is no more nice to x person than he is to y, and x doesn't know anything personal beyond that he is a nice person... Amberwaves

    If your reason for liking someone isn't for their looks but for their personality then you're not shallow. Cause by definition, shallow is someone who only cares about looks.

    They're not getting married. They're not even dating. Their feelings for each other is mainly admiration and not love. You can know a person for years and not know who they truly are if you don't grow closer together. But because you like a person for their personality, once you know that they're not who they pretend to be, you stop liking them. That doesn't make you shallow. That just means you're human. We're not all knowing after all.

    I don't know the reason why the blonde guy is interested in the bro because that hasn't been revealed yet. But if the blonde guy likes the bro because he think the bro is kind then by definition the blonde guy is not shallow. The blonde guy likes the bro base on the information he think he knows about the bro. He didn't just blindly choose to like the bro.

    Amberwaves January 28, 2019 8:46 pm
    If your reason for liking someone isn't for their looks but for their personality then you're not shallow. Cause by definition, shallow is someone who only cares about looks.They're not getting married. They're... Shindere

    That is over-simplifying it. Think of those confession situations that so often happen in mangas and anime. A person "confesses" to another when they have barely spoken to one another, if at all. Why? On what basis? Certainly no real acquaintance or knowledge. What they like or are in love with is their idea of what the other person is like. It isn't necessarily because they just cared about looks. But because they were willing to create a fantasy out of the other person on what they knew that fit into their idea of what they wanted. Like somebody being cool, or smart, which may be true, and then they just fill in all the rest of what they imagine the person is like (because they "like" them) rather than admitting they don't know. It is like wanting an ideal object for your affections, but without knowing anything about them. The two don't go together.

    It is one thing to admire and to generally like someone for being kind. There are quite a few people who are kind. But to feel something more than that, stronger, I'd think a person should know something more about someone, not to mention personal about them. Otherwise, despite liking someone for their kindness, (if it is more than a casual interest and blond guy's certainly was) then it has become a fantasy of the other person that a person has created.

    Being shallow isn't always choosing someone for superficial qualities, but also for lack of depth of reason. And blond guy's emotional reasons for choosing bro lack emotional depth and knowledge. Sure people might get together not knowing much about each other, and not for the best reasons, but normally a real emotion, one-sided or returned, is based on real knowledge of another person- good and bad. Not just that they are generally nice and kind in their public lives.

    Shindere January 29, 2019 7:27 am
    That is over-simplifying it. Think of those confession situations that so often happen in mangas and anime. A person "confesses" to another when they have barely spoken to one another, if at all. Why? On what b... Amberwaves

    Dude. We're not talking about other manga here. We're talking about this manga. So stop pushing your bias of other manga into this one.

    Obviously enough, the blonde guy has not confess yet. Which means he isn't like those stupid romance confession yet. And we still don't know what his reason is for liking the bro. It could be as you say that he has this delusional fantasy of what the bro is like. Or it could be that he's trying to get closer to the bro to know who the bro truly is. We don't know because that has yet to be reveal.

    What I'm talking about is whether or not the blonde is attracted to the bro because of who the bro is. If someone act nice, kind, and caring and you see it and like it, that's not delusional. That's because you have proof. Which is DIFFERENT from you just having some fantasy about someone without having been or even talk to them before. If it turns out that they're just acting and that's not who they are, that doesn't mean that you're delusional. That just means that you were fooled by their act. Which makes you unwise. NOT shallow.

    I don't know how you draw the conclusion that someone is shallow for liking or admiring a person for who they are even if you're fooled. Cause being shallow has NOTHING to do with knowing the truth. It only has to do with what you care about. If you care about who a person is and not what they look like, you are not shallow by definition.

    Honestly, you talk about not having delusions of someone until you get to know them first. Yet you yourself are having delusional out come of this manga without knowing what's going to happen next. You're doing the same thing as the characters you hate.

    maychan February 26, 2019 1:34 am

    I think the blond like the older bro base only on how hot he is...or something like that ╮( ̄▽ ̄)╭ that my take on this story. and yeas the blond guy is kind of annoying me for using the MC. if he like someone "soo much" he should just make the move on him on it's on and not use other people.
    it only the start and I already don't care or like the blond creepy dude
    ( ̄へ ̄)sigh well that just me.