this is going into a direction that i didn't sign up for when i started reading. it's basi...

lagana December 29, 2018 5:45 pm

this is going into a direction that i didn't sign up for when i started reading. it's basically just fight after fight and it's getting kind of boring. i like the story and i do like where it's going, but all the scenes seem the same now. good guy vs bad guy. good guy gets beaten, they make a comeback, bad guy gets beaten. and sometimes the bad guy makes a comeback and good guy makes a second comeback. they just drag the fights for way too long. i didn't think this would be so heavy in the fighting side.

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    YuzukiMikage December 30, 2018 9:38 am

    Mainly because you're a pussy and just hide in your house. Fighting is all about protecting something. Either if its your turf, comrades, family or friends.

    I bet youre one of those people who just expected gay scenes here smh.

    Perere December 30, 2018 1:56 pm
    Mainly because you're a pussy and just hide in your house. Fighting is all about protecting something. Either if its your turf, comrades, family or friends.I bet youre one of those people who just expected gay ... YuzukiMikage

    wow you are really rude.He is just saying the truth.This webtoon wasnt like this at the beginning.I personally like the fighting but this webtoon supposed to be about a ugly,fat kid that gets bullied not about fighting or gangs.So this kind of change in the story can make people annoyed.

    YuzukiMikage December 30, 2018 2:43 pm
    wow you are really rude.He is just saying the truth.This webtoon wasnt like this at the beginning.I personally like the fighting but this webtoon supposed to be about a ugly,fat kid that gets bullied not about ... Perere

    So you wanted to see him suffer more as a fatty whose only escape of freedom is a copy of his alternate self? Fucking pitiful.

    The authors showed their point of views because background and side characters have their own limelight aswell. They deserve the right to tell their story on how and why they chose to fight. Its not your fucking story.

    And the fighting scenes are exposed on half of these series because ITS A FUCKING SEINEN-PSYCHOLOGICAL WEBTOON. Its not gonna fucking give you romance or ecchi you horny cow.

    If you people didnt even read any of the description that was placed before you started these stories then I highly doubt that you even read the story properly and just scrolled through the dialogues.
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    Perere December 30, 2018 3:54 pm
    So you wanted to see him suffer more as a fatty whose only escape of freedom is a copy of his alternate self? Fucking pitiful.The authors showed their point of views because background and side characters have ... YuzukiMikage

    dude chill.Did you even read my comment?I have never said i wanted to see Daniel suffer and i am not here for pervy stuff either.You are really weird.How did you even make that assumptions from that comment.There is nothing wrong with telling stories of side characters but they are too long and it's all about fighting so it can get boring for some people (especially when scenes are the same)i am not talking about myself,as i said i liked fighting scenes but instead of all this fighting and god dog thing i would prefer seeing Daniel's story

    YuzukiMikage December 30, 2018 4:11 pm
    dude chill.Did you even read my comment?I have never said i wanted to see Daniel suffer and i am not here for pervy stuff either.You are really weird.How did you even make that assumptions from that comment.The... Perere

    Then go buy the recent chapters then if you get annoyed by their weekly free updates that "just revolves around fighting". Smh. This is why some stories of multiple authors has 80% fan service because of people complaining, then they complain more because its too predictable.

    Perere December 30, 2018 4:20 pm

    so that means we are not allowed to tell our opinions?? No one wants fan service why are you always thinking about this kind of stuff?Not all the fans are same and just because someone complained doesn't mean we want fan service or we hate the story.Nothing is perfect.and i am saying this for the third time I LIKE THE STORY NOW AND I AM NOT ANNOYED.

    ThingOfEvil December 30, 2018 5:56 pm

    I think you have too much of a Manichean POV. It's not at all good guys vs bad guys, each and every character has their own issues,past and ways to go through life, with good things and bad things, good decisions and bad decisions, their only common point is that they learn, and evolve. Maybe you should spare some time to go back to where you started to feel boredom, and reread everything calmly and carefully without skipping what seem to you to be random fights.
    Happy new year.

    ThingOfEvil December 30, 2018 6:05 pm
    so that means we are not allowed to tell our opinions?? No one wants fan service why are you always thinking about this kind of stuff?Not all the fans are same and just because someone complained doesn't mean w... Perere

    You were saying that you'd rather have "Daniel" s story, that is basically called fan service.
    [Fanservice, or service cut (サービスカット sābisu katto), is material in a work of fiction or in a fictional series which is intentionally added to please the audience.]
    Let's just enjoy that awesome story with all its amazing ,complete and interesting characters, it's to rare to not be appreciated...

    meuser December 31, 2018 9:14 am
    So you wanted to see him suffer more as a fatty whose only escape of freedom is a copy of his alternate self? Fucking pitiful.The authors showed their point of views because background and side characters have ... YuzukiMikage

    I love how it's going, but I kinda understand some peeps POV. For others, it may be too much seinen and much less psychological.

    I think what these peeps saying, they want to see progress with the main character (not watch him suffer lmao.. nor thirst for fanservice).

    Ps: Sound like you need a breather. Way on edge bruh lol. People have opinions it happens, at least they have a fair reason tho you disagree.

    meuser December 31, 2018 9:26 am
    so that means we are not allowed to tell our opinions?? No one wants fan service why are you always thinking about this kind of stuff?Not all the fans are same and just because someone complained doesn't mean w... Perere

    This author takes good care of every character, and he likes exploring new plots, rather than sticking to one / focusing on MC.

    You're mistaken if you think this is just some simple manhwa, where boy change his life etc. This KOREAN author is a man on a mission. He's out here trying to spread important message, subtly make readers ponder, while at the same time creating engaging/relatable plots and characters. Which is fuking brilliant imo.

    So, if you were initially here just to see some skin-deep storyline, and quickly have your happy ending, this not it. Gonna be a LONG journey before we get there.

    YuzukiMikage December 31, 2018 9:57 am
    I love how it's going, but I kinda understand some peeps POV. For others, it may be too much seinen and much less psychological.I think what these peeps saying, they want to see progress with the main character... meuser

    I've follow Jun's work since the start and as times went on 6 months ago, his colleagues explained to insta that he's been getting backlash because of the different things he portrayed in the story (Such as the types of violence, how the webtoon is progressing and the lack of "Romance") and he's getting frustrated and depressed because of it.

    He said he wanted to write his own story and not let the people drown him in fanmails telling suggestions on how to 'improve' his story. And when the time he said that, everyone got mad at him because he wasn't ackowledging his fans.

    Thats why im mad.

    And btw, people like them are those who doesn't know patience. Im always waiting for a chapter in Kuroshitsuji everymonth and I was always grateful about it (Even though it was sad because the story became a fans service on the other arcs.) Plus there are series that wasnt even completed (and will probably never be) and we always wait for it like Gangsta, My little monster, Sadistic beauty and Gantz.

    meuser January 1, 2019 4:27 am
    I've follow Jun's work since the start and as times went on 6 months ago, his colleagues explained to insta that he's been getting backlash because of the different things he portrayed in the story (Such as the... YuzukiMikage

    It's good to read your side of story. Cause it seems you're simply very passionate, but making personal attacks online isn't nice (I mean what does stereotyping a homebody as cowards has anything to do with this lol) It would've been great if you had replied/explained to others as you did here. So they can understand you better. ^^

    I don't follow the author keenly, so I (also many others) didn't know about the backlash. Though I've always thought this manhwa is quite a double-edged sword. The story & characters attract a.. certain type of audience. We may see what the author's going for, but others might just be here mostly for superficial stuff.

    It happens I guess. So though it is heartbreaking, I've always expected those backlashes. I just hope the author has someone rational to talk to so he can deal with all the pressure.

    ANYWAY, I see your point and I understand. But let's try understand others too & be cool. The author in this manhwa is all bout being open-minded & having empathy, so let's do that too k? ^^

    YuzukiMikage January 1, 2019 4:58 am
    It's good to read your side of story. Cause it seems you're simply very passionate, but making personal attacks online isn't nice (I mean what does stereotyping a homebody as cowards has anything to do with thi... meuser

    Yeah, im sorry for being like this. But since I've sticked up to him since the debut of him being a comic artist I've felt frustrated to see someone get hate on their own story just because of something so irrelevant.

    He actually puts up vlogs and has starred as a guest in shows like RS in Korea and has expressed his passion on revealing that everything (Even his own country) has a good and bad side though everything has a story behind those faults.

    Though im only gonna apologise to you since I've left you a pretty bad impression of me. But I've been called irrelevant in this site so its no biggie of youre not fond of me.

    meuser January 1, 2019 7:19 am
    Yeah, im sorry for being like this. But since I've sticked up to him since the debut of him being a comic artist I've felt frustrated to see someone get hate on their own story just because of something so irre... YuzukiMikage

    I have memory of a goldfish anyway lol so I rarely harbour resentment towards anyone online unless they're extremely nasty.. but you're reasonable, it's all cool~ ^^

    lagana January 1, 2019 7:40 pm
    Yeah, im sorry for being like this. But since I've sticked up to him since the debut of him being a comic artist I've felt frustrated to see someone get hate on their own story just because of something so irre... YuzukiMikage

    Welp, I read this thread just now and no, I wasn't expecting any romance either in this (yes I like BL but, wow so do you according what u read). Your first comment is really rude, not going to lie about that, and I understand you defending the artist. But I was just writing out my feelings. I wasn't "hating" on the story. I actually like the plot a lot (like I mentioned in my first comment) but I just didn't expect it to progress into what seems to be actual martial arts webtoon instead of that seinen-psychological one.

    I didn't know the author was receiving such a "backlash", but giving out an opinion should not be a guilt trip regardless. I do understand where you are coming from, it really does suck if your stories are being controlled by the fanbase instead of you being able to do what you like and it equally sucks to have backlash for not doing so. But it should not be on me (or any fan on that matter) to research if the author can actually handle a comment in a platform that the comic was not even meant originally even view from. Have you not critisized a comic on this platform too without knowing the author and their situation? I had no intention of whatsoever to send any "fanmail" to ask to make the series as I would like it. I know that much is wrong and would never do it. I would never want to tell an artist what to do with their own piece unless I actually commissioned it (even if I was paying to read the official publication). It is not okay and I want to make that on thing clear for you.

    I'm a bit surprised to see you call me a pussy straight out of the bat. As you've been called irrelevant (what I believe you are not), so did you just call other people names just because of your own frustration. I'm even more so surprised since I thought we were having pretty decent conversation about two different opinions in a another comment section so I thought you were better than that (which you actually are again looking at how this conversation progressed). I do apologize if I offended your or the author's (if they read this) feelings. It was not my purpose and I don't want the story to be edited just so I alone can enjoy it.

    meuser January 2, 2019 9:31 am
    Welp, I read this thread just now and no, I wasn't expecting any romance either in this (yes I like BL but, wow so do you according what u read). Your first comment is really rude, not going to lie about that, ... lagana

    I think from the start, this manhwa always had been very heavy on fighting / body building(?) which I guess appeals to Korean male youth. While still attract female audience with good looking men, some bromance / potential romantic partners.

    But in this particular arc, we are seeing a lot more of it. Possibly because author is trying to connect the dots.

    So even tho you have the right to, tbh I don't know why anyone would complain or be surprised about it.

    lagana January 3, 2019 1:07 am
    I think from the start, this manhwa always had been very heavy on fighting / body building(?) which I guess appeals to Korean male youth. While still attract female audience with good looking men, some bromance... meuser

    You're absolutely right, maybe I was baited by the good looks too and now I'm being surprised for no reason at all (although I was never expecting any romance and still stand by it (rather i'd prefer not see any at all)). But it still doesn't cancel out my feelings about the series. Maybe it was the "girlish" side of me that expected the bodybuilding just to be a body positivity thing instead of it progressing into fighting in actual gang wars. I was so excited to see Daniel work on his fat body (and the relationships he had with it), that I guess I kind of turned a blind eye to every other detail dealing with martial arts. I was looking more forward to the emotional side of this series than the physical as this fighting thing just seemed to be a sideplot. So I was wrong. And surprised.

    After saying that, I'm actually pretty fond of some martial arts comics and I do like to see some action. But that doesn't really cancel out my original critique (or complaint, whatever you want to call it) of how the fighting in this webtoon still feels like the neverending cycle of comebacks which is getting repetitive. Although it's something most action based comics do anyway, but there is no real excitement behind these ones. As fun as it is to cheer on Vasco, there is no actual fear of them losing when they join the fight halfway through and makes other burn knuckles suddenly alive again after they were beaten 6-0. And then they just sweep the floor with god dogs. Even more so when the MC Daniel himself doesn't actually even join the fight, even though they make him the start and the end of everything. He can't lose if he isn't even participating before they win. So there is no excitement over winning because there was never fear of him losing, if you know what I mean.

    Don't get me wrong, I still do get excited about Vasco's "speech" and God Dogs betrayal, the fighting scenes themselves are not that exciting and are taking too long for my taste. But again, this is an opinion, I know, not everyone shares so even if I am complaining about it, I'm not really expecting anything to be done about it. Was just looking for people to agree or disagree. :D

    YuzukiMikage January 3, 2019 1:56 am

    And I just realized that you were the same guy I was talking to earlier

    lagana January 3, 2019 2:25 am
    And I just realized that you were the same guy I was talking to earlier YuzukiMikage

    Yup. That's why I was so surprised since you were so factual in the other conversation. :'D

    YuzukiMikage January 3, 2019 2:37 am
    Yup. That's why I was so surprised since you were so factual in the other conversation. :'D lagana

    Cause im explaining this conversation to them emotionally since I've personally know this guy and Im a fellow artist aswell.

    I get a bit carried away when anothers work was crticized without knowing what they've been through.