I mean bl manga/manwha doesn't really potray real life gay relationships
When they were sex friends Jiwon ignored DG and called him only for sex. Now that the situation became unbearable for DG sure he’s not the same anymore. Don’t expect from him to be nice to Jiwon and to wait for an explanation like a devote wife. For him their relationship ended after they had sex as an apologize and Jiwon never chased after him to clean the misunderstanding. Even now he’s only hopping to be with DG but did nothing when DG moved no matter what.
Plus if Jiwon sees his ex he will do the same as DG avoiding him
No shit, hence the use of "husbando" to relay that point. The comment was relating to the character's reality. In the real world there aren't things like ukes and semes, or adults with capacity who need to be "protecc". DG as a character still needs to be developed more, whether it be fleshing out his own backstory, showing that much needed growth and reflection, and developing better communication skills, else a future relationship between those two seems like it would go sour rather quickly.
The point is DG did muddy the waters by bringing up the topic of "love" and a relationship, but he said his piece, or shouted it even, but he never gave an opportunity for Jiwon to respond. DG isn't an idiot, he knew that rain argument wouldn't resolve anything. Standing in the rain, shouting things that need to be discussed by two people was more about DG venting than listening and resolving. DG needs to take responsibility too of how things got to that point. DG had many opportunities before that to speak up for himself, and even when he was asked directly, he lied rather than face the consequences. Chanwoo gave him sage advice about the latter, but it apparently didn't register. Jiwon has a lot of issues too, just that we have seen more character growth from him,it's DG who has still got a long way to go
I cant believe you get only dislikes. Because everything you wrote is the truth.
People in this comment section are really delusional,childlish and subjective.
Yeah I am afraid that this story will end with them getting together (maybe some fluffy extras) which isn't so hard to imagine because they are atracted to each other but if so I see their future (if they dont change) in black colors and highly disfunctional.
DG is too passive, too naive, too submissive to make their relationship balanced.
I just love cowards who disvote smt and cant even write few arguments why they dont agree.
Seriously pathetic.
Yah it would have been nice to have a discussion on reasons for disagreeing. It's not to blame DG for his behaviour, he was naive, very very passive young man, who had a very limited experience of socialising and building relationships, he came from a family where his sexual development seemed to have been seen as something shameful and taboo. He wanted Jiwon to be Alex, Alex represented everything he wasn't. He clung onto the sex buddy thing, rather than being true to himself that it wasn't working and telling Jiwon and accepting that it might have been the end then. The point is for the plot these "passive uke" characters like DG aren't the best, it makes it seem as though such characters don't take responsibility, don't need to learn, to reflect, to grow and lose the power imbalances. When Jiwon blurted out the have sex one more time, DG should have done so in the condition that he was the one "topping"
Yo it's a manhwa not a documentary it's not supposed to be realistic
It's not just about being realistic (although I dont get why you think that manhwas CANT BE realistic but ok...?), but also logical and characters should have some development through the story (not only the obvious 'bad' seme but cliche passive uke also should mature and understand what he się wrong beside ruining broadcast).
They are both at fault.
Missing the point.
Came here just for read not for argument
Said to much for something FREE
Omg I thought I was the only one who wanted to slap some sense into DG. As much as I love him for standing up for himself, one of his huge flaws is he doesn’t ever think about the other person’s situation. He just thinks that’s he’s not loved and their love isn’t equal and that not being treated kindly means they’re not in love with him.
That thing with the picture, he just went and assumed a bunch of things on his own. It’s understandable that he’d get pissed off because sunbae didn’t explain anything to him and just got mad, but he should have calmed down later and think first why on earth sunbae would snap at him to begin with, if that picture didn’t have some deeper meaning. Of course it’s fine if he concludes “yeah it’s sunbae’s ex and he loves him” but like has he even considered the fact that sunbae calling that guy’s name while crying in his sleep may mean that their relationship was not as simple as DG assumes? He just went and thought “Jiwon sunbae loves someone else = not okay” without ever trying to truly understand the person that’s he fell in love with.
He can’t see pass sunbae’s asshole act because he doesn’t even TRY to. Some people can’t be honest with themselves and others and they’ll treat you like shit in the real world but they’re just hurt deep inside. As much as I understand DG’s sorrow because Jiwon was a huge piece of shit to him, he needs to come to terms with the fact that love isn’t a game and people are not as simple as “treating them nicely = love”. Good for him that he made it clear to Jiwon he wouldn’t take any shits from Jiwon anymore, but he better be back there ready to accept the real truth when he chose to ignore it and ran off. If he truly loved sunbae and was willing to do anything for that man, he’d try to figure out what happened in that man’s past at all costs, not just give up halfway because there was no chance of reciprocation. Love takes a lot of effort, my friend. You better risk your all for it. It’s all or nothing.
And fking Jiwon better get his shit together and realize that DG would NEVER hurt him like that ass hyung did.
Some interesting good points, thanks for your contribution.
I kinda disagree with your point in the sensd that it seems to imply (forgive me if I am wrong) that it was DG's job to understand Jiwoon's reason for being an asshole, even thought Jiwoon himself would never explain, simply because DG was in love. I get that we usually think that love = acceptance, which is true in a sense, but not always. Even if you love someone, it's not up to you to fix their personality, or "save" them. It's perfectly common (and healthy) to love someone but still distance yourself because the person is toxic and hurtful to you.
DG loved Jiwoon, reciprocated or not, being treated badly or not. He probably still loves him. But he realized that Jiwoon is not HIS problem to solve. Jiwpon is the one that should (and is in the process of) fix and understand himself, because it's his life after all. Love requires effort, yes, but not suffering.
(And also, I get that being treated nicely == love, but goddamn Jiwoon could at least NOT treat DG badly, idk, pretend he's a tree and treat him accordingly （/TДT)/ )
Yeah and DG's love was so deep. He was already 'in love' with the guy before he even met him. Always going on even after breaking their 'relationship' how Alex was sexy,hot etc.
He was more 'in love' (rather obsessed with) with his confident, sexy created role (Aka Alex) than Jiwon who he didnt even know.
The guy was crying after another guy and DG didnt even think that Jiwon could have been hurt by him and treated badly. No he was jealous and made a scene.
Also as it's been clearly shown Jiwon is mentally unstable,the guy has probably BPD, is depressed,insecure,has many isuess. Seriously I dont see how DG can help him being as he is
i agree with you, i couldnt have said it better
Yeah I agree that it isn’t DG’s job to cure Jiwon cuz he has to do it himself since it’s his own trauma (which we see he really did in the latest chapter he said he loved DG holy crap—)
But what I meant that I didn’t like is that DG is portrayed to be reaaaaaally insensitive to Jiwon’s situation, tho partially it’s because he just simply doesn’t know about Jiwon’s past. But even then, if he really loved Jiwon, he should have went on and said something to Jiwon about his own feelings, not just keep it up bottling and then deciding Jiwon’s feelings all on his own. I’d prefer it if DG just went and slapped Jiwon once and show him how hurt he is by Jiwon’s actions, not just hide away and run off. He doesn’t try to listen to Jiwon’s explanations now and just shuts him off. I know he’s hurt as hell but I’d appreciate if he LOOKS at the current Jiwon who’s obviously frazzled.
Look it's understandable why DG acts like he does, but currently he's not developed enough to be able to realistically have a good relationship, especially not with Jiwon. He has unrealistic expectations of what romance/relationships are, he has unrealistic expectations of his future husbando, he is so terribly passive which leads to him trying to blame others rather than accept his own contributions, he can't communicate. The last point especially. DG has not once been able to have a productive conversation with Jiwon, he bottles up his wants, his concerns, he lies rather than speaking honestly and facing the consequences, he can never stand up for himself and instead settled into thinking he was his future husbando's sub rather than equal, he relies on binge drinking in order to get confidence which ultimately makes him blurt out things in an arguement that resolve fuck all and only lead to him getting hurt, like when he got jealous over Jiwon doing his job and nearly outed them both because DG wanted to show he was more important than any other fan, he can't give others respect and compromise, in the rain scene chapter he should have known that such a setting for a conversation was never going to give answers or resolve anything. Shouting in the rain, and expecting a rushed 'right' answer back, is the work of a soap opera rather than showing anything productive. DG throughout their relationship thought Jiwon was a mindreader, he selfishly probed Jiwon's trauma because he only cared about how it would affect him retaining contact with Jiwon, he assumes, he doesn't give others the space to speak and listen, DG is either meek or arguing, he doesn't reflect or grow, assigning blame on others rather than looking at what he need to improve on or the mistakes he made. This isn't to give Jiwon a free pass, because he fucked up too, but Jiwon has reflected, he's grown, he's admitted what he did wrong, and is trying to work on this, but isn't setting fairy tale expectations. It's worth noting that both of them are still "in the closet' to people they know in their daily lives, Jiwon making a comment in his tutorial that DG looked nice, was otherwise insignificant, but really, Jiwon has until now never been affectionate like this to DG, he's also never honestly expressed himself in university, let alone something that identifies that he finds another man attractive. This was quite a step forward, and hopefully for the plot when they do get together they wont be keeping their relationship a secret from everyone, that they can be honest and just a boring normal couple on campus which would likely aid in Jiwon recovering from his family abuse where he felt he needed to wear "masks".