And can you even blame anyone in this context? Anybody that says otherwise to the LGBT community, they'll come after us like serial killers determined to shut anyone up and ruin their life over a few words they said EVEN if what they said had logic and wasn't at all offensive in the objective view.
And can you even blame them in this context? If you have any opinion, no matter how logical or reasonable, that differs from the LGBT's community, they attack you.
bruh i'm not even gay and i still side with the LGBT because I do believe sexuality is a spectrum. I also believe that the majority of those are straight but that don't mean Lihuan is one of them. i say controversial shit all the time and i still get more mature and receptive comments than you do
Did you actually read the chapter?
What? The author is the one at fault for calling him straight, being heteronormative "husband & wife" and using the biphobic "I only have loved you so I'm still straight" . People in the comments are rightly stating that the author should have identified him as bisexual, but he didn't.
You just sound like some cocky commenter who flexes that he/she's got an account and is therefore above others who don't and happen to make controversial comments. Sorry your highness, I have not seen the controversial comments you have made that have been very well received. That still doesn't nullify my point: that some who have "controversial" opinions get attacked sometimes. More than I do? Is that supposed to make others feel jealous or feel worse for not using an account or whatnot? Nobody cares if you're gay or not or why you agree with LGBT and I have not said anything about majority being straight and relating that to why or if Lihuan is straight, it was to point out that not everything is homophobic such as the scene where Lihuan in the future marries a woman. Its expected because a majority of people are straight, not to mention the author portrays and states Lihuan as straight.
So you aren't actually LGBT yourself but are one of those tumblr woke "allys" that are actually rather homophobic, seeing as you are finding zero issue with how lgbt is being represented so poorly. A man isn't a "wife" not legally or socially, in China same-sex marriage is illegal and acceptance of such is far off. The author calling the outright gay character by a female term, rather than legitimising that husband & husband is an everyday reality elsewhere is ridiculous. Using a slur to describe someone was just uneeded. Ditto that the author is not representing bisexuality, but is falling into the homophobic cliche of "your the only guy I've loved so I'm still straight". Lot's of yaoi authors promote homophobia, so it's not like he's the only one to have made such slip ups , just that this comic seems to have staunch defenders of how fantastic, how woke it is, when really it's the same in terms of negatives like many others comics on here. Having the "interfering" women characters who are either homophobic "I won't respect you are gay, you can still be straight" or fujoshi's who treat the MC's relationship as something they view as entertainment or can involve themselves in, is so predictable.
Took a look at some of your topics and didn't really see many so called controversial comments you made. The ones you made weren't controversial at all and coincidentally aligned with a majority of people's opinions. So I don't think you understand at all what others think before they say something actually controversial or considered sensitive and in fact just claim to be better than others based soley on the fact that you have an account and call others pussys just for making comments as anonymous. You're type to literally call anonymous people's opinions as non legitimate or without having any logic/reason/credibility JUST because they're anonymous.
Bruh, i never even stated that Djun wasn't being homophobic in that chapter, you just assumed that LOOOOL. I do agree that he was being homophobic. I'm talking about an entirely different conversation.
I make a lot of controversial topics on Love is an Illusion and BJ Alex
Don't know the context of your topics, but those two webtoons are heavily criticised for poor plot development, poor character development and the use of treating rape and other such abuses comically and victim blaming. This webtoon has issues such as supporting homophobic and biphobic tropes, seriously dragging the plot, and having ridiculous female characters that have no place in a more mature plot like that "runs wit her eyes closed fujoshi so she can injure her ship and force part 2 of her ship to collide with part 1". Yet why is this webtoon so coddled by fans, when likely this webtoon if released outside of Asia, in countries which do have equal rights and a more representative, less offensive representation of people who are gay and bisexual would be met with scathing reviews.
Woah jesus apologies I didn't expect this to blow up. First off, idk who said it but pan and bi are different things, and I'm not gonna lie, I'm a little offended pan and demi were called purely "tumblr terms" because bullshit. I'm demi-bisexual, and I assure you, pan and demi are both very real things. Secondly, I think everyone has every right to be a but upset that LiHuan's sexuality hasn't be outright stated, but I can almost guarantee the "already-bent straight" and "wife" comments were both jokes. Obviously you're allowed to find those comments offensive and distasteful, but I don't think calling Djun homophobic for them is exactly mature. Djun has already showed to be able to handle sexuality very well and delicately in the story on multiple occasions, and the fact that Djun is so passionate about their work and spreading LGBT+ fiction proves that they are certainly not homophobic. I do think we also have to take into account Djun's context as well, being a BL manhua artist in China. I think that makes it a bit more difficult for Djun to be more specific because I can't imagine deeper LGBT+ knowledge being hugely widespread (I could be wrong though). But I really do have faith that they'll reveal what they had in mind for LiHuan's sexuality, and honestly, even if they don't, I don't really see how that's a huge issue. Like, yes, I would love for LiHuan's sexuality to be specifically confirmed as well, but I think focusing on that is missing the point of the entire story.
In regards to JianYi and Xia Wang Wang, JianYi deluded herself into hoping YuYang could like her, and I don't think that's unreasonable. She never forced herself onto him in any way, shape or form, and when he turned her down, yes she was heartbroken (obviously, because she liked him) but she was so good about it. Xia Wang Wang is a comic relief character, and she's trying to be friendly and helpful, because she wants LiHuan and YuYang to get together. Yes, she seems to be a fujoshi, but she hasn't done anything bad; people interfere with relationships and try and play matchmaker with people all the time, it just so happens that in this particular case LiHuan and YuYang are both guys. And she's not forcing them to do anything; enthusiastically encouraging LiHuan to let her help, yes, but LiHuan hasn't told her to fuck off and mind her own business or anything like that, and she's only approached him, what, 3 times I think over a presumably reasonable amount of time. It's not like she's constantly hounding him to let her help. I think she's quite a cute character, and LiHuan just turned around and said yeah please help basically, because this is all new to him and he doesn't know what he's doing. If YuYang ends up questioning everything because he sees them together or something though, that'll piss me off as well, but Djun hasn't failed me yet so I'm holding out hope.
Idk if I missed anything in this, but guys please be respectful to each other. I don't care if you hound on me or whatever since I started this (I'd prefer you not to but I was the catalyst so I'll take what comes), and please, by all means, voice your concerns and opinions, but there is a right and wrong way to do that, and crapping all over other people and what they think isn't the way to go.
I don’t know why you’re taking the time to explain to me these things when I never said a word about them LOL. You’re just wasting your breath my man.
I was arguing something completely different but I think you got me mixed up with the other Anon who claimed Djun wasn’t being biphobic and such. I think what Djun commented was homophobic but that doesn’t mean the man himself is, they are just joking terms. If you’re getting offended by those types of things— knowing Djun’s active LGBT elements in the story then it, ironicaly, makes you the fuss tumblr social justice warrior that tries to politically correct everything.
Regardless if Love is an Illusion and Bj Alex are “conroversial” comics, they are still we renound in the BL genre and on Lezhin. So, if a person were to speak negatively about them(which I have before) then you would receive backlash. Plain and simple.
Okay its already been 2 days and i’m over this lmaooo this is so irrelevant. This may be my last comment on this thread:
1. Lihuan is demisexual/pansexual (only a deduction)
2. Djun isn’t homophobic yall are just sensitive
Just because you think you're demi-bisexual doesn't mean its real. Your're basically taking an attribute that most people have a putting it under demisexual. Its not a sexuality; that's just describing the way you "fall in love" or develop attraction for somebody, which no one gives a fuck about. If you're pansexual then, you're just bisexual because there are only 2 genders. There's simply no need for such words because its 1) pretty damn useless and 2) pretty damn UNNECESSARY. Like do you need to tell someone that? Is that how you introduce yourself? Hi I'm demi-bisexual and that's all my identity is about. Anyway I don't think his sexuality is that important. Its just another minor minor aspect of the story.
That doesnt make any sense. Just because you spoke "negatively" of a renown comic doesnt make it controversial at all. Do you know what controversial means?
Firstly, I don't see how the way I chose to identify myself and my sexuality affects you. Demi and pan are certainly not useless and unnecessary terms and I think the fact that you're calling them such shows that you only know maybe the bare minimum of both. And hell, even if they were both deemed fundamentally unnecessary, I still don't see why you'd care whether people use them or not. Why does it matter? People should be able to use whatever terms they feel best describe how they feel. And no, I tend to drop the 'demi' when I tell people I'm bisexual, because 1. a lot of people either don't know the term or just don't understand it 2. its an additional piece of information that, yes, most people don't really care about in situations where I'd be coming out to them. Does that make it irrelevant and redundant? No, because it still explains something for me that I spent a long time trying to work out, even if I don't share it with others.
Demi and pan are very real, very seperate things. Honestly though, I don't care if you can't understand either of them; they're both difficult to explain in words even if you are demi and/or pan so I get that. But I think the least you can do is stop invalidating them and take them as they are regardless.
that comment wasn't even aimed at you I don't know why you decided to stick yourself in that conversation lmfao. it just shows you're trying to spread negativity like you always are
Hoo boy so the comments have blown up about LiHuan saying he's not gay, so I just wanted to add my own two cents. I personally think LiHuan is demi-pansexual; you don't have to be gay to like someone of the same gender. LiHuan is also still very new to the whole liking someone thing. Djun's made it very clear that LiHuan has never really had friends, let alone someone he could develop a crush on, and if he really is demi, that makes even more sense, since he never had a connection strong enough with someone for those feelings to develop until now with YuYang. I think people also need to realise that we still have at least a good 40 chapters to go before the story finishes; Djun might chose to give LiHuan a label yet, we don't know. I wasn't surprised that LiHuan said he wasn't gay. He's never thought about things like that before; he's never been in a situation where he's had to think about them and, figuring out your sexuality doesn't usually happen overnight (or at least that's how it was for me personally), so I feel like it would have been more unrealistic if LiHuan started to work out that he was falling for YuYang and then suddenly went "yep, i'm gay" and was totally cool with it. And even if LiHuan never gets a label, does it really matter? Some people don't like sexuality labels, and they just like certain people or certain genders because that's what they like, and I think that would make sense for LiHuan's very earnest and straightforward character. And for the people complaining about the 'already-bent straight' comment in the little extra, character-introduction chapter we got a little while back, Djun likes to joke around and I can understand why that's got people annoyed but I think you're taking it a little too seriously. I think you also need to consider that straight is often considered a kind of default for sexuality I guess, and until someone comes out, they are more often than not considered to be straight, and while I think this is wrong as well that's just how things have been up until this point in the world, but hopefully that mindset is beginning to change