You said it in a way I cannot disagree at all but..I kinda wanna punch kanou for his raging jealously tho lol
Mind you, there isn't just one thing that's wrong with the story. Blackmailing, human trafficking, extortion, kidnapping, raping the victim not just once but over and over and over again. I can go on and on. But because of how the story is deliver, the audience tend to overlook those things. If this is any other manga, people will flip.
I think so too but it's wat make it this manga great and fits the story together (not saying it's ok) just that u get used to it plus I was talking about the (๑•ㅂ•)و✧charter's not the plot
So... I guess i'm the only one who can't stand the main character? Ayase isn't a bad person, mind me, i do not hate him because he is bas, but he is also extremely, completely, perpetually naive, at the point of stupidity.
He doesn't learn from his previous mistakes, he doesn't communicate important things even when he should and always, without fail, put himself in situations where he needs to be saved.
To be clear, i'm not saying he is to blame for the things others did to him, but simply that he is completely incapable of taking care of himself.
He has no instinct of self preservation and he always try to deal with things alone, even when he knows he doesn't have the ability to do so, making things harder for everyone around him.
I do not deny that he is a good person, but all his virtues are transformed into flaws after the first (or the second, at best) volume
When i was reading it, half the time i was just thinking "please,do a favor to the world andput him in a nursing home, he is not capable of being out alone"
Let's say that the MC is as you say, a practical person who's a realist and not an idealist. The story itself would not make sense. Why would he bother to save Kanou, a total stranger? And why would he get into a situation that will cause him to need Kanou's help?
Long story short, if he isn't who he is, the story would be different. Or rather, if the story is the same, then his character will not make sense. You either get a boring story where the MC basically does everything perfectly or you either get a story where the actions of the MC doesn't align with his personality.
In terms of taste, you have every right to dislike or like any character that you want. You don't even have to like the story. But you have to acknowledge that the story make sense in terms of character motive. Something that manga, especially Yaoi manga, nowadays tend to fudge over.
I agree that the action of the MC are coherent with his personality and that the story make sense in terms of character motive, but i also have to say that they are always the same. The MC is a flat character; the story has many events in quick succession one after another to entertain the reader but lack in the development of the MC, even with all that happened to him.
The story offered many occasion in which the character could grow and learn and none of them were taken.
I'm not criticizing his personality nor that he is an idealist but the fact that, despite all the things he has seen and learnt, he is still the same helpless character that he was at the beginning.
I agree that a story with a perfect character is boring but so is a story where the MC doesn't evolve.
He is a good person. He really is, but it's also the ONLY thing he is and that isn't enough for the MC to be a well written character.
One can be good and not completely clueless at the same time; a story doesn't need the character to be a complete idiot to work, even if in this case it really is the only thing that makes the story go on.
Yes, there is not much character growth. But you're wrong when you say that there is no development. The characters may be the same but the relationship dynamic and the story itself is changing. Thus, there is development when it comes to the MC. This is not a story about character growth. This is a story about character relations.
If you ask me, it doesn't makes sense to change Ayase's character. The reason why everyone fell for him to begin with is because he's selfless and good. If he is not that anymore then no one would like him. He'll lose his appeal as a character and in his role as the MC. Not to mention that Kanou won't let him grow and will always try to find ways to constrain him. Just imagine him taking step to be independent of Kanou. That will end up in failure as always.
Whether a character is "good" or not is not up for you to decide. It's up to people to decided for themselves. Just because you don't like his character doesn't make his character bad.
I think you are under the impression that character development means complete change and that's not true. Ayase could be kind and selfless and still learn how to deal with the world.
(The fact that Kanou would try to stop him would actually make a great plot point.)
About the development in the relationship i agree it exist but that doesn't happen just because. the relationship between the two MC change because Kanou is growing and learning how to be a better person. He still has a long way to go, but he is trying to be battr.
Ayase isn't. He just repeat behaviors he knows from past experiences won't work without trying to better himself.
My liking has nothing to do with the opinion i expressed, i do not like Kanou, but he is still a great character with layers and a strong backstory to explain why he is the way he is (even if that's not an excuse for his behavior).
There is nothing wrong with liking Ayase the way he is, i'm not criticizing you for that, i'm just saying why i do not like him and why i think he is not a great character. I don't want to foce my opinion on you and I'm sorry if i offended you
That doesn't make sense at all. How can he still be selfless when he's looking out for himself? The very definition of being selfless is to have no regard for yourself. Look it up. And Kanou did try to stop him. When he want to go to school and when he tried to get a part time job. Which means that is a plot point.
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If you're saying that Kanou is changing with that then Ayase is also changing as well. Like the chapter where he refuse to acknowledge that same sex relation is normal or that homosexual people are normal. Then he went to work at Someya's bar and learn to accept it as he work with homosexual people.
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Look, I'm not trying to debunk your opinion nor am I offended with what you say. I'm just trying to point out the fact that your explanation for Ayase's character is illogical. If you say that you dislike the fact that he's naive and selfless then I would have nothing to say to you. That is your opinion and you can do whatever you want with it. But you keep saying that Ayase should be this and that as though him becoming those things will make the story better.
He can be selfless and not be an idiot. He can put the good of others before his own but also recognize that he can't deal with certain situations alone. I'm not criticizing his selflessness but the fact that he put himself in dangerous situations without thinking about the consequences that his behavior could have on others.
I mean, i try really hard not to bother others but i also know my limits and that if i do something without knowing nothing about how to do it i will make a mess and consequently make life harder for everyone around me.
Ayase should have learned that he can't deal with a certain kind of thing alone (not his foult, i mean, normal people don't know how to deal with the mafia or a group of people who want to hurt them and stuff like that) and he still try to do everything alone alone even if he should know that it won't work. I'm annoyed by the fact that he repeat his mistakes without trying to make himself better, that's all.
Oh, yeah, i forgot about that, it was a great thing! Unfortunately it doesn't change the character trait that annoys me, but at least is something :)
As i said, i do not dislike the fact that he is selfless, and i do not want him to be this and that, just a little bit more self-aware. Just enough to be self sufficient and not in need of constant supervision becouse, really, i think that right now he needs it
I don't know where you get the notion that someone can be selfless and still preserve themselves at the same time but that's wrong. How can you be selfless when you ask someone else to get in harms way for you? That violates the very definition of selflessness. Look it up... please.
And looking at what you've said, I now know why you find his character to be annoying. You're not annoyed because he's selfless. You're annoyed because you think he's an idiot. My advice to you is that you need to reread the story again. He's not an idiot. He is fully aware that he can't deal with all the dangerous stuff going on around him. That's why he's always afraid. But he deal with it anyway because he's selflessly kind. In his mind, it's better if it is him who gets in harms way rather than someone else. His kindness for others far out weighs that of his dear and his self preservation. That's his character.
Your problem is that you think his selflessness is the result of idiocy. But in actuality, he's selflessness is the result of his kindness. I would agree with you that he's an idiot if he purposely put himself in harms way even when there is no harm to begin with. But he doesn't. He do his best to avoid conflict. It is the people around him that wants to inflict conflict. He's not knocking on harms door. Harm is knocking on his.
From my perspective, I think that Okane ga Nai has tapped into an inner desire of people that many manga/anime over the years has tried to tap but failed. The desire to be desire by others. Whether if it is a Harem story or a love triangle or whatever, many manga and anime in the pasts has failed to create a story that can fill its audience with pleasure and satisfactions in being desire by others. After all, there is nothing more psychologically and egotistically gratifying than being wanted by others. Especially when the people who wants you are people who are quite desirable themselves.
In Okane ga Nai, the author did a great job in focusing the desire of the entire casts onto one single character. The desire that extent to that character is so great that it goes beyond your typical obsession of things like the Harem or Yandere and such. But the best thing that the author did is creating a character whom is deserving of those desire. The author has created a character whom the audience won't be able to hate.
In any harem or love triangle out there, you'll always find that the person who is the center of that is undeserving of it. Take harem stories for example. Most of the time, the person who has that harem are losers who are unattractive, lazy, and undesirable. It's to the extent in which it becomes literally illogical as to why they would even have a Harem to begin with. But here, you get none of that. Not only is the person in question attractive, he is also hard working, kind, and completely desirable which makes him completely deserving of those desires. That is why so many people can't get enough of Okane ga Nai.