an adult having a romantic relationship with a minor is p*dophilia or at the very least pr...

and no, i'm not saying it's wrong to read this kind of content, it doesn't reflect on you necessarily, neither does reading things with eroticized r*pe. just stop denying the fact that it is wrong.

Shut up

I don't think it's quiet right to call it pedophilia. There are many couples with huge age gap in this world. It's just our own choice and if one is fated to be with someone who's far younger/older than her/him, what can we do? I think you better be careful when referring something to it, because what if one day you have that kind of relationship with someone who's much younger/older than you?

ah i love bothering assholes

yeah i wouldn't date a minor if i'm an adult tho? only predators do that. and no, i'm not talking about a 17 year old and an 18 year old i'm talking about homeboy down the street dating a 16 y/o.
the mental differences between grown ass adults and minors whO ARE IN THE MIDDLE OF PUBERTY is wildly different. ever heard of grooming? adults can make minors feel like their world revolves around the adult, convince them to not go to school, to do this and do that.
"i'd better be careful" no bc i wouldn't fucking date someone who's not even on the same level of development as me. that! is! predatory!
and "age gaps" are not what i'm talking about.
if someone who is 25 and someone who is 35 want to date, they are fckn adults, they are mentally developed (or should be). a 25 year old dating a 15 year old is the same amount of years, but it's WILDLY different.
to be clear: yes, i know that adults attracted to 15-17 year olds are ephebophilic, not p*dophilic, but they are the same level of trash.

Yes pedophilia is not ok and I think(hope) most of the readers here know this but you should know that the legal marriage age in Japan is from 16 so I think that's why no one here has a problem with the age-gap.

i schleep.
there are conditions to that.
1. the male partner must be 18, the female partner must be 16
2. if they are a minor (under 20!) they need their parent/guardian's approval.
in the terms of sexual relations (which comes along with marriages so..):
Juvenile Obscene act: Depending on the prefecture (a kind of county or a province), it’s illegal to have a sexual relationship with a minor below the age of 15 to 18 (it varies from one prefecture to the next). This can lead up to 5 years in jail (again different provinces different rules).
In certain prefectures, someone over 20 can't date someone under 20 without written consent from their parents. A minor can't sign a legal contract without parent's approval btw.
In Tokyo, there is a youth protection law that prohibits adults from having sex with minors 17 or younger (in the prefecture). Basically all the prefectures have some kind of law preventing an adult having sex with someone under 18.
The whole "b-but 13 is the age of consent!1!!1" bs is stupid as hell. If people here (which i know they won't bc they're too stubborn to believe they could ever be wrong) would take the time to even google "age of consent in japan" and READ something rather than just seeing "13" pop up, you would find out that 13 is a BASE.
the consent laws vary from prefecture to prefecture, but basically, a prosecutor COULD GO AFTER ANY ADULT HAVING RELATIONS WITH SOMEONE UNDER 18.
also, let's all just note that even though something is LEGAL doesn't mean it's MORALLY RIGHT.

Concent age in Japan is 12
In this case the mutual concent is very clear
Well, yeah, they should have waited until 18 them, but well, things happen

i already explained the age of consent thing in legal terms also, the "base age of consent" is 13, not 12. there are lots of conditional things tacked on to it. my whole damn point was that ppl deny that there is anything wrong with an adult being in a sexual relationship with a not-fully-developed-mentally minor. like they deny it completely, say it's not wrong, and encourage it.

Sorry, but you are incorrect. Pedophilia does not apply to anyone under the age of 18. There is a reason that age of consent usually falls between the ages of 12 and 18. That is because pedophilia is the sexual attraction to children who are PRE-pubescent or under the age of 12. Ephebophilia is the sexual attraction to pubescent young people, or those between 12 and 18. Pedophilia, when acted upon, is a crime. Ephebophilia is not. In this manga, the instigator of the relationship is in his senior year of high school, which puts him at about 17 or 18 years old. Well over the age of consent for Japan which is 12. Since mutual consent is apparent, no crime has been committed. Only people who do not understand just how the law works spout nonsense like yours. Go back to Facebook where you can be a king among the idiots.

i already explained that i knew this but you apparently didn't read. who's the real idiot here :)
1. ephebophilia is still a fucking crime, if not legally, then morally. a grown ass adult can groom a 15-17 year old to do whatever they want. there are MANY stories of teens who were in relationships with adults who ended up fucking up their life only to be thrown away when the adult got bored.
2. you really obviously didn't read anything i said, but that's okay, i'll repeat myself to you again, dumbass. the base age of consent in japan is 13, not 12. you can get 20 years of hard labor for "obscene acts" with a 12 year old just so you know.
3. are you a law student? did you actually read anything before you spouted this bullshit at me? i did, so, you can take that statement right back and shove it.
4. i wasn't even specifically talking about the couple in the manga, if you look closely. what i SAID was that ppl (like you) should stop justifying grooming of teens and accept the fact that it isn't healthy. tons of "fujoshis" (ugh) justify p*dophilia and ephebophilia bc they won't accept the fact that this shit isn't actually romantic irl. i never even said there was a crime in this specific manga. my point was abt ppl justifying adult-teen relationships like it's perfectly acceptable.
it's the fucking morals i'm talking about. you obviously have none.
i fucking think the fact that adults (like you) find no problem as long as someone is "over the age of consent" is fucking disgusting. there are so many moral crimes committed by adults who have sexual relationships with people my age, but i guess you'll ignore that like you ignore everything else i read.

it's not that deep or serious if you don't like it fine then don't read it. But don't sit here and call it pedophilia when you obviously don't know the meaning of the word. it's not real but fake. nobody in their right mind would condone a relationship like this in the real world unless the parent gave consent or unless the person in question was of the age of consent. And even then people would still have a problem. But since that's not the case because it's not real!!!! shut the fuck up and quit trying to ruin shit for other people go read something or get off the site all together

people do condone this irl, and it IS that deep because GROOMING IS A THING. also i explained like 500 times that i know the difference between p*dophilia and ephebophilia but i don't give a shit because they're both disgusting. never ever ever is it okay for a 30 year old to date a 16 year old. i also literally said my problem is not with the manga itself but the people defending adults dating minors. learn to fucking read. also no, i won't shut the fuck up because this is a public website and i can express my opinions just as much as you can :).

before anyone else wants to start shit with me, read all of the replies i gave to the other comments; those will most likely answer your questions.

Well this manga ain't real like so take your bullshit elsewhere and the people who condone that bullshit needs to be killed and a lot do get arrested and more. and since your problem ain't with the manga it'self then why the fuck are you commenting shit that has nothing to do with the manga? Like why are you on this page or even on this site like what was your purpose writing this? and starting shit?

I think an argument you are not considering is the fact you call ephebophilia a moral crime but that is very subjective. Keeping two people apart who clearly belong together in my eyes is also subjectively a moral crime. You use grooming very often in your examples and yes it is a very real thing however that and mental maturity go hand in hand. You cannot gage a character, who you did not create,'s maturity. Full brain developement for a boy is put at about 25 and yet that is not what we deem to be age of consent because that and mental maturity do not go hand in hand. Mental maturity is what we gage to be the age where we make our own decisions. Japan has deemed that to be 13ish despite other necessary requirements that may be involved. I considered the seme to be mature. He made his decisions and they had enough reasoning for me. One could also say any age could potentially be groomed (take willing abuse victims as an example) and we must make the decision for who has mental maturity ourselves for anything to be moral. You made the decision he isn't and that's fine. Also I don't know if you're around many 17 year olds (god knows I am) but believe me. If a sexy 27 year old woman came onto them there would be no regret there. Just hell yeah bro I just had sex with cougar how fucking cool am i? There are some more mentally immature and those are the ones that need guidance and laws and watching out for grooming but I assure you they are the minority.

Also let's just be clear since you seem to have a thing for exactness (I get it, I do too) when I say they considered age 13 to be mentally mature I didn't mean for adults to sleep with 13 year olds. I just meant in general tags what they considered to be baseline mentally mature. You do not appear to be over 18 due to certain wordings in your responses, which is fine but it can certainly put a very different view on things. I consider myself to be extremely mentally mature. I have had very few times in life when I disagreed with a younger me. Probably not since i was 15. I always knew who I was and what I wanted. I've never been taken advantage of despite being advanced on multiple times advantaged that's because again, I was mentally mature enough to know what I wanted. If I had been in their situation with my mindset I would have done the same thing. I would of slept with him. You say roles don't play a big part but I 100% disagree. Being caged in, vulnerable on the bottom when somebody has something inside you that could potentially hurt you pretty bad if done imlroperly, is so very different from being on the top, in control, and in the less compromising position. If seme had been small and frail and on the bottom I would probably hypothesize that this could potentially be statutory rape because when fighting back is not an option, a more survival type mindset kicks in. This was not the case. They were mostly equals from what I could see and having top make the first move and be more assertive on his own without influence from the other showed this was what HE wanted. Not the other way around. That's my two cents and yes at a baselevel it is a matter of subjective moral opinion and that's why you and everyone at thead are at an impasse. You're both, technically right

I would be scared to be around you. There is a genuine problem and grooming is an issue. An a adult should know better than to get into a relationship with a minor. Regardless of who iniciated it. Defending it with "two people who belong together" is a wild statement. It seems like you're highly uneducated on what exactly grooming is. And just because the victim doesn't act a certain way doesn't make them any less of a victim. A 15 year old Getting into a relationship with a 27 year old isn't just a moral issue but a criminal one as well. AGE OF CONSENT DOES NOT EQUAL GETTING WITH MINORS!!!!!
And a lot of kids are groomed but you obviously aren't aware of that. Just say you enjoyed the manga without trying to defend the obvious issue at hand.

I'm genuinely curious about something. Would you feel comfortable sleeping with a 15 year old now?

You seem to misunderstand my perspective. No it has not changed, not when I was 17 when I wrote that comment and not when I was 15 years old. Yes I was self assured in all my statements and relationships at that time (17 dating a 25 yr old. Lasted two years and I broke his heart but I wanted to travel and that was that). My relationship was fine, healthy, and I held the reigns of the relationship because that's the role I prefer to play. Call it personal preference. I know that grooming exists and that it's a horrible, terrible problem. I'm not (and was never) negating the fact that this story is morally questionable. You ask me if I'd date a 15 year old now (I'm 23) and the answer is no, I would not. I cannot gauge the mental maturity of a 15 yr old because I'm not a mind reader, and I'd never risk harming someone else. That is not the case with this story, which is what my entire stance was based off of. I CAN read the mind of the character, because the author is god and showed us the thoughts of their creation. Knowing that, I CAN make the decision to decide that there's no problem here. But this hypothetical story can't exist in reality. In here I can say "they belong together". In reality I'd call the police.