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I still read it and I wish I hadn't

Sorry, but I've to say sth to your comment, I found it very rude.
There're ppl who've rape FANTASIES & like to read this stuff. But as the word says, they're fantasies & nobody (at least I think,there exist all kind of ppl in this world) would want to get raped irl.
The scanlation team is even saying to NOT EXPECT getting a REALISTIC portrayal of rape, as one'd assume as this is a manga and a work of fiction.

I'm in now way condoning rape or belittling it & find it really awful when it happens irl. And still in my head I can have fantasies like this to turn me on & imagine it being done to me.
I think it's maybe hard to differenciate sometimes & I myself have to remember myself from time to time to not compare manga content to rl 1:1. But it's also clear that everybody reads stories w/ his own history & it can't be prevented that you'll have emotions while reading based on your experiences irl.
For example I hate shota manga, that's doing absolutely nothing for me. I don't like seeing unmatured char (bodies) or when they're to effeminate, it's too close to pedophilia FOR ME. But there're ppl who like characters like that whyever.

I asked myself if this is a good thing, portraying indictable/illegal themes as rape/pedo & if this is blurring the boundaries of such awful acts to rl; if ppl are getting insentitive when reading this. That's a hard question, my take on this is it COULD BE indeed be a problem for YOUNG ppl reading such stuff. As supposedly they aren't having much experience irl it could seem to be normal to have sex like in manga (NO YOU DON'T, THIS IS PORN!!!! for your info). I also know you can't prevent young ppl (teens) from such influences today, as you can find everything easy on the web.

It's a hard nut to crack, you always have to remind yourself that you're reading fiction/porn. They're (mostly) in NO WAY a realistic portrayal of real life, it's a work of art & not a newspaper article.

Sorry for the long reply, I hope it's understandable bc english is not my mother tongue or my forte. :-)

PS: this story is awfully developed imho, not my taste of 'rape fantasy'

That kind of belief system is bad for society. It encourages rape. People with rape fantasies need special help from a psychologist or to experience the trauma themselves. They’re never “fantasize” again. Also, shota is disgusting and should be illegal.

I agree.

So what about BDSM and role play? Is that wrong or disgusting? Ppl shouldn’t really shame others for wanting to act out a fantasy (as long as all parties involved give consent and are of legal age) or even writing/drawing/reading FICTIONAL stories about it.
Some victims of sexual assault are actually encouraged to write and/or read these stories, they even said it helps them. (Not every victim of course, but a large enough margin for it to be practiced in therapy)
Please note, not looking for a fight or meaning to be rude, this topic is so controversial that it peeks my interest for a discussion.

woah, are u serious??
I don't think it encourages rape in any way, if you are NOT able to distinguish btw fiction & real life then maybe you're too young to even read such stuff!!!! That's the real problem here. There're all kind of kinks in this world, who are you to forbid someone what he thinks about???
I think you are argumenting only from the real life standpoint, where it's clear that nobody would get wanted to be (brutally) raped. There're aren't many mangas who depict it like this, it's not a real portrayal of the act in rl!!

For me it has to do w/ giving up control, I'm very bad at letting out my real feelings so I fantasize about being overpowered & unable to resist. I also fantasize about bdsm stuff & violence, I should get to a psychiatrist as fast as possible. (⊙…⊙ )

I hate shota far more, bc it involves children & not adults. But maybe if you are a child/teen yourself you can imagine yourself in a similar body far easier than w/ the mature stuff, or u find it 'cute' for whatever reason. That's the only reason i can comprehend for me for liking shota. If it's right or wrong to even be reading porn at such young age (illegally) one can only answer for themself....

And one more thing, a person who really likes to commit pedo or being a victim of rape IRL will not read such mangas for pleasure imho. They'll search for the real stuff, not for romantic love mangas, even if sometimes very far fetched.......


There was a case in the US, as far as I remember, where a COP fantasized about raping & abducting women. He even searched for adresses & license plates on the police pc IIRC, prepared some stuff for it & was still acquitted bc he DIDN'T commit the crime IRL. That's a controversiell case, I admit, I'm too lazy to look it up now again, but it illustrates that THOUGHTS ARE FREE & you can't prosecute someone for what he's thinking.


Hell, I don't even want to know what fantasies ppl have bc I'm sure they aren't always pinky red most of the time. And still they aren't doing any illegal stuff w/ only thinking about something, the fine line to commit such acts irl is what differentiate us from a psychopaths/criminal.

But I do admit it can desensitize ppl for the act irl, far more dangerous for young ppl who's brain isn't fully developed & can be influenced easily as well as can't process that it's only fiction.


PS: the role of art was in all the times to also depict controversiell topics, get ppl to think about & reflect on things. That's not was the manga industry is about, I know, but it's still art & not a rl tale. It's stuff a person thought of fictious ppl & bringing it to paper to read for others. Where the limit is btw rl & fiction & what you can & can't process in an artwork isn't a new discussion.........
I myself stay far away from all shota & too childish stuff & just don't read it...........

^^^This ^^^
Far better than what I had articulated that’s for sure.

I can’t really understand why ppl think reading certain types of fiction means ur into it in real life. Nope sorry.
Saying that, if the manga “couple” is toxic with no redemption I won’t root for it but have excepted they’re most likely gonna end up together (hey, it’s yaio, what you gonna do?) I still don’t have a hissy fit coz it’s not real and has no effect on me or my life.

Thx, I agree w/ you.

I'm always amazed when ppl are fighting over rape tropes (yes, they're mostly awfully developed just to throw it in there, no real depiction of the act as it'd play out irl) & then go & happily read 'Killing Stalking' or whatever.....
Bc it's NO problem to shoot, stab, strangulate, torture, kill etc. ppl IRL but rape fantasies are disgusting.

Works of fiction as such as yaoi, fantasy stories or whatever are per definitionem not a real life essay about sth happening. It's there to kill time, let your imagination run wild, have fun reading it & then go back to RL. (Excessive consumation of anything is never good in any form, more so for only developing personalities)

I in no way want to get raped irl (no thx （￣へ￣）), but I admit if I ever find the right partner I'd do a roleplay. But that'd be a completely different case, 2 adults to agree on sth isn't comparable to an act of sexual violence being done w/o your consent.


I can understand why there're so many rape mangas out there when looking at the jap society & how they're raised. No showing of feeling, you've to behave at all times & be respectful towards others/older ppl. There's no room for trying stuff, you've to function or you're an outcast. To let yourself go is so hard in such an environment, who wouldn't fantasize about being able to let loose sexually w/o guilty feelings. I can so relate to this, giving up control when all your life is about being the 'good person' w/o 'shameful conducts'. But sorry to say, sex can be embarassing, shameful and dirty (shit can literally happen for real *lol*).

PS: This story is so badly written until now, I hope it'll get better but my hope is slim..... ╮(￣▽￣)╭

I wish I could give your reply an actual "Like" - I completely agree with you!
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It's so silly that people decide to apply real-world logic to fictional porn... In yaoi, the plot can often be well-written and elaborate (e.g. Yuutsu Na Asa ) but in a bunch of cases, the plot is almost non-existent (or at least, so poorly developed that it's simply a rough draft compared to the sex scenes...); those types of yaoi manga simply offer a visual, fictional portrayal of sexual fantasies or kinks involving rape, BDSM et cetera. There's no way an author could be actively endorsing crimes such as rape or stalking by simply creating a manga which depicts said crimes... especially, seeing as the scenes are mostly emphasising the pleasure aspect of the situation. (⌒▽⌒)

I also feel like this story is pretty "meh" so far, however, I didn't feel offended in the slightest about its depiction of "rape" and ... I'll read the rest of it before I give it a rating.

Just like you said “as long as all parties give consent.” That’s the exact opposite of the definition of rape. One party didn’t give consent. That’s why it’s not ok.

BDSM is fine, I consider it a somewhat healthy outlet for people who are into that stuff. If they both want it then they can pretty much do whatever they want. Why would I care?

Why would role play be bad? You mean role play rape? That’s disgusting, but if they wanna do it, I don’t care.

I’ve read a (just one) book about a woman who was raped and became pregnant. It was non-fiction, and the entire thing was just her trying to emotionally survive and recover afterwards. If rape victims are encouraged to write stories (fictional or non-fictional) afterwards, that’s great. They need help to recover. If I had to guess though, these stories wouldn’t involve fantasies and cuddly love bunnies.

I like that your not trying to fight. I’m not trying to fight with you either.

The fact that you think that rape is porn... that’s just part of why these stories need to stop.

In Japanese society, if a man rapes a man, he is considered to be displaying his love. Like a love confession.

These stories are common in Japan, because it’s an easy way for an author to get two guys together. They have no understanding (or absolute refusal to attempt to understand) that rape is hurtful, both emotionally and physically.

That’s part of why so many people here are so against these stories. Our societies are better than this. (In this particular aspect, not necessarily in everything). Saying otherwise is just allowing yourself to devolve.

It’s like when a child does something bad and their parents are disappointed in them. Because they know the child is better than that. They know they can do better, that the child has the knowledge to do better, but the child insists on behaving like an idiot.

I’m probably at least 10 years older than you are.

So shota’s not ok, cause you don’t like it, but rape is ok cause you do?

BDSM would satisfy your need to be overpowered. I can promise you that the trauma you would suffer from rape is serious. The fact you confuse just being overpowered with being raped just shows that you’ve let these stories warp your mind.

It’s not so much desensitization. It’s better described as something that alters your life view. For example. All sorts of people say violent video games are desensitizing. Well, let’s compare.

Starting with mildly violent games like simpsons hit and run (the child version of grand theft auto). You drive your car around run people and things over. The more death and destruction, the more points you get. How this is different. People drive around every day (or they see other people driving around). The only drivers trying to get death and destruction out of it are terrorists. The scum of Earth society. And for them they only do it once before they die themselves (1% or less or their car experience is to purposely crash it). So, even if you play this video game every day for a few years of your life, 100% of your real life experience with cars will be trying not to cause crashes and kill others.

Grand theft auto. Purpose of this game to just be violent. The bloodier the deaths, the more points you get. I’m guessing here, but I think that most people don’t walk outside and immediately start killing everyone they can catch and trying to destroy as many things a possible. So again, this probably isn’t 100% of your experience in life. Unless your living in war time, which would still be different. And that takes me to the war game.

call of duty. It was actually designed by the US military as a recruiting tool. The whole purpose is to get people into the strategy and the idea of war. They’ve made several versions of this game, so it’s safe to say that it’s been an effective tool for the military. But this isn’t how everyone lives their lives all the time.

These games could all be desensitizing, but they don’t alter your world view. Your not going to play any of these games and then decide that it’s normal to walk outside and murder all your neighbors.

Rape is different. Most people never experience it themselves their entire lives. (Which is a good thing) they only hear about it on the news or read about it in books or manga. you read 99 books where rape is normalized and romanticized, and see one news story about a rape. Then 99% of your life experience with rape is these stories. Now, everyone here was (probably) taught when they were little that rape is bad. But if all of your “life experience” with it is in these fictional stories that describe it as a romantic thing, wouldn’t that eventually impact your worldview? Make it seem less bad?

I would say yes, because you read and like these stories. To prove my point your arguing that the rape trope is only bad if it’s shown to children, and you’ve admitted to having fantasies of being overpowered. Not coming straight out and saying it, but implying you have rape fantasies yourself.

Ah that’s fair, wanted to see where u stood on control environment fantasies. Cool.
I was meant reiterate on what victims write about, NOT romanising toxic relationships, more to have a feeling of control of a situation they didn’t irl.
While in manga the “abusedxabuser” trope is as common as its expected, that story type can annoy me (like this manga) mainly coz it’s happened before and there’s not gonna be a twist. I like the deeper darker stuff with solid story lines, like Harada for example. Now their stories are a roller coaster of twists. Color Recipe is probably the best so far, uke doesn’t fall for seme’s bullshit as easily if at all.
But then u get some (children) romanising relationships that aren’t healthy *cough* killing stalking *cough cough* and that’s where others see this and think the whole fandom is like that (I personally enjoy that story for the horror and mystery aspect of it). The author themselves have stated that is not a love story.

Point is, these are stories that aren’t meant to be taken seriously, they’re smut with a plot (dried up plot). Not meant to mirror real life or what you should do in those situations.

Saying that. It’s the reade’s choice how they want to see it as long as they don’t think it how the real life works. I personally read them to just numb my brain with fiction after a day of reality

Yeah I don’t particularly like this story either. When if finished the chapter I eyerolled so hard it hurt “Gods, not another one.”

I have read some of killing Stalking. At first I liked it, I really wanted that boy to escape! Blut as the abuse continued, Stockholm syndrome set in, and the cop lost his job. I stopped being interested, too much sick and disgusting, not enough rescuing.

That people read killing stalking and want the two to get together and have a happy ending-I just see that as a symptom of peoples minds being warped by the mild shit like this book.

No, I may not be meant to be taken seriously, but if someone’s master bating to rape over and over, wouldn’t that make them feel like rapes not so bad? And wouldn’t that eventually leak into the real world, first at their opinions of rapists and victims, but potentially go even further than that? Not everyone, and not all at once, but to cause a gradual shift in the consensus of society.

Shifts and changes in society don’t have to happen only because of non-fictional things. Just look at our society today! How many “fictional” news stories are out there getting people all riled up? (No matter which side your on, you view their truths as fake and vice-versa)

And that’s the terrifying truth. Its horrible that that can happen, hell that it HAS happened so many times.

It falls down to that one individual if they start thinking like that and their responsibility to understand what they are doing. I assume that if they’re old enough to have those thoughts and to read they should know by then that in the majority of society rape is wrong. There will always be more voices speaking out against it than for it.
In my opinion, with things like BDSM I believe ppl should do research if they want in on that lifestyle, most jump into it thinking “fifty shades of gray fun!” But that book is a poor grotesque example, except on NOT what to do. It’s that sort of thing that shines a bad light on an otherwise normal alternative sexual acts. There’s safe words and after act comforts.
A more vanilla example is when I was a kid and swearing was punishable by “soap in mouth” my mother made a rule that we should know what the words actually meant before using them. And while I do curse a lot now there’s one or two words I won’t use coz their meaning has nothing to do with anything I say.

I’ve never agreed with the notion that TV, movies, games are the reason behind some acts. It’s basically saying that ppl can’t think for themselves and can blame something for the horrible things they do. It’s up to them to know what’s right and wrong, or if they’re too young their parents/adults. As kids we were allowed to watch anything below MA so long as we didn’t repeat anything from the show/movie. And apart from one incident involving six year old me, a two foot fence and carboard “wings” after an episode of looney toons, I’ve stood by that. Video games too, if we got angry at a game for losing, we were not allowed to play it. For every 1 person they say is “being affected by fictional violence or something. We need to get rid of everything to do with that coz it’s bad.” There’s at least 10 others enjoying it how it’s meant to be.

Eh, I think I went off topic sorry.... but like I said, it’s so controversial that it stems to other things. Make good conversation that’s for sure

Look, I've never stated that I was "into it", in fact, I'm pretty sure I stated the opposite?
I just acknowledge the fact that there are people in this world with peculiar kinks and mangakas who take advantage of this - personally, I think this story is very poorly written and, of course, if what happened in the plot of this manga happened in real life it would be considered a serious crime.
That is just not the focus of this manga; it plays on what one might consider disgusting, demoralising fantasies and, in my opinion, it's better for people to use manga as an outlet for their peculiar fantasies and frustrations rather than the real world.
Even though I love the romance genre, I've never dated in my entire and despite the fact that I love playing "violent video games" I've NEVER wanted to hurt other people - not in the slightest. (▰˘◡˘▰)
Most people are capable of distinguishing fiction from reality.

I completely respect the fact that you disagree with me but ... most yaoi is porn which many westerners don't seem to realise - that's why the plots often don't make much sense at all and why lots of scenarios end up escalating pretty quickly in yaoi. Personally, I don't really enjoy said type of yaoi, however, other people might enjoy it so I'm not going to push my opinion onto others.
I read yaoi for the romance elements - not the "steamy scenes" so I often skip through them unless the manga is very well drawn and well written.

The fact that my comment had more dislikes than likes shows how fucked up our society is. Rape is all fun and games when u read it in these fluffy cuddly mangas where the two end up being lovey dovey but once a movie or a manga shows a realistic view of rape , and how disgusting it is , yall be like this is too angsty and whatnots. Rape should be banned in any sort of thing people see , rape should only be portrayed as a crime , a horrible one . Forget yaoi , even in porn videos and avs , there shouldnt be any portrayal of rape , and imvsure there isnt (well ive never watched porn but yknow) , there most likely are two people havin sex with their our consent. Rape isnt something u should see normalized ,in fiction or in non fiction . If i could make laws , id put the wort punishment for rapers and not for killers , since killers kill their victims and end their lifes while rapers kill their victims without ending their lifes , they open the doors of hell and judgement for them , they make them suffer , not only physically but emotionally. How many terrorists , serial killers and psychopaths were victims or rape and abuse? How many suicides are victims of rape? Will u ignore all this devastin history and govread that yaoi manga just to numb ur (non existant) brains? Are u out of ur minds?

Not sayin yaoi is bad tho , and not sayin that yaoi that start with sex are bad either . There are many yaoi that start with sexual relationships and they developped well like Therapy game. But that sexual relationship was with both of their consent , and even if they were drunk , thats their problem.

Anyways i recommend u guys watch Fatmagul , it talks about a girl being raped and it kinda shows how miserable her life became!
Also , those who defended this manga, thank you guys! Thanks to you , i now know that i should take care and that my life isnt protected anymore when i walk down the streets