Wait....

I don't really know at this point, I loathe Karino and the other characters mean nothing to me, I just read this manga for Azusa & I just want to see him happy, I don't think he will ever be truly happy with Karino, but that's just what I think...

Me the fuck too

Totally agree (づ￣ ³￣)づ

Me too. I want karino be happy. He already suffer a lot. I can't take it

Karino or Azusa ?

I doubt it will end differendly. Azusa probably end up with Karino. and Karino will say how much he love him or some crap and then be sadistic to him again.
I also only read this for Azusa character, I like him and hope he be happy in the end. but I doubt he ever would ╮(￣▽￣)╭ that this kind of manga I think.

Yup. Karino suffered already a lot - his dick must itched non stop when Karino can't fuck Azusa (like at home, at weekends, etc).

Dude my gwad, this manga is supposed to be dark. Let the mangaka do whatever she wants. Even if they end up together, so what? I bloody ship it.

Would I ship it if it was in real life? FUCK NO, I would vomit

It is FICTIONAL. Stop trying to regulate the rights of fictional characters. The fact is there are readers out there that can tolerate this with no prejudice at all.

I freaking love psychological dark mangas like killing and stalking and this is no exception. Some mangas are meant to be fluffy, some are meant to be dark with fucked up characters clearly designed by the mangaka conscience because that is WHAT SHE INTENDED TO DO IN THE FIRST PLACE. If you don't like this, drop it and move on (theres nothing wrong with that)

Rape is a common theme in hentai ( a lot), shouen, eechi and yaoi and even japanese porn have them the most. But are there are rape crimes in japan even tho they sell HENTAI ON THE STREET? Fuck no barley any. But yet the countries that preach about rape the most that it shouldn't be portrayed in media, are the ones that have the highest count.


So the conclusion is, whats fiction does not transcend to reality. Whatever you read (shota, incest, dark psychological manga, bestiality) is not a true reflection fo your cahracter. I love pendulum so much but do I want it in real life? Fuck no. I don't mind rape in my manga at all but do I still want it happening in real life? God no. These are not related at all.


The Japanese can differentiate between whats reality and whats not. So stop trying to say whats acceptable and not. Draw a line between fiction and reality dude. You preaching about this is not going to change the mangaka intention. Because beauty and beast is practically bestiality (cause the romance, development and tension happened when he was still a beast, not when he was a human). If you think abut it, it is fucked up but many people enjoyed it (like me and I also enjoy pendulum)

But why? Cause it is fictional!!!! Who cares if it was acceptable or not? This is fiction and fiction is meant to be tolerated with no prejudice anyway. Whats moral and whats not should not go hand in hand with fiction.

If you can't deal with this, there are plenty of ogawa work that are fluffy, so go and read those.

welp I made so many grammar mistakes and spelling, But hopefully you understood my message and perceptive a little.

Listen to me. I LOVE dark manga/manhua/manhwa, but only when they're done RIGHT. This shit... oh man it could have been done so much better. And I love her other works, trust me. I love the side stories in this one.

And this being fictional doesn't mean anything to me. I'm not an idiot- I know it isn't real. You do realize this stuff has to be in someone's head first, right? And it's obviously going through other people's heads as they're reading it. And also, morals shouldn't go hand in hand with fiction? Are you fuckin' serious? So what, I'm betting you think Shotacon is okay? Because that shit is seriously disgusting and disturbing to think that 1) there are people who enjoy MAKING that kind of shit and 2) there are people who enjoy THINKING about that kind of shit and 3) there are people who enjoy READING/WATCHING that kind of shit. That disturbs the actual fuck out of me.

I want you to list mangas and anime that have morals [conflicting morals, too] that aren't fuckin' good. What you said doesn't make sense.

It feels like you don't take the time to realize that these mangas don't just come out of nowhere. These come from people's minds, and they enter into others' minds. There are people who are all like 'SQUEE SQUEE BEST COUPLE' and shit like that, and that only makes me wonder what kind of shit goes through their head.

Trust me, I understand that Karino and Azusa are NOT a romantic couple, and that this is a dark manga. Why do you think I started reading it? But the fact that it's being played off like it'll all be okay in the end is UNORIGINAL, BORING, and just reminds me of so many other yaois that use sexual harassment and rape as a plot device for relationship development.

Killing Stalking is INCOMPARABLE to this manga, as it is FAR superior in its content and fucked-up meter, and its psychology. Yoon Bum is suffering from Stockholm Syndrome and besides- he had a fucked up mentality in the first place. Sangwoo and Bum are absolutely incomparable to Azusa and Karino. 100%. They both fit the genre, but this situation is very different.

Trust me, I understand where you're coming from, but you have a much different mind than I do. I'm someone who is fucking concerned about the fact that people can so wholesomely separate themselves from reality and enter a new world like you have just mentioned, because what's going to stop you from staying in that world? Hm? But that's a conversation for another day, and not something I want to get into.

My main point is, I understand the difference between reality and fiction, and that's not what my post was about. I'll point my finger back at this earlier statement: '...the fact that it's being played off like it'll all be okay in the end is UNORIGINAL, BORING, and just reminds me of so many other yaois that use sexual harassment and rape as a plot device for relationship development."

Also, I'm going to mute this because it disappointed the hell out of me that I got a notification for this and not for updated manga. And also because I honestly don't want to discuss the topic further if that's all you got in your arsenal. DAMN I come off hostile, but don't take it personally. It's 5AM and I'm tired and irritable as fuck.

That thing about rape crimes is incorrect, too. There's "barely" rape crimes cause people don't report very often. Besides, Japan has A LOT of issues when it comes to the cultural view of sex and also to the sex industry, having one of the biggest red districts in the world and being a top place for sex trafficking, which from what I know is pretty much always forced. There's also tons of shit related to underage escorts and child prostitution enforced by a prevalent culture of sexualizing minors (like shotacon and lolicon).
I don't mind rape scenes in manga, nor abusive relationships as long as they're treated with care, because these are very delicate subjects and while some of us know how to separate reality from fiction, a lot of people don't.