I hope people saying that this manga is good can wake up. How can people like characters m...

Can you name a BL manhwa that has an MC who makes all the right choices, never gets confused, angry, stressed or depressed and never gets into any arguments or conflicts or bad situations?

I'll wait.

Probably that can't be named but what can be named is a manhwa that has such a dumb character that puts all this together and multiply over a thousand.
Siwon is a over the top dumb character that at this point is portrayed as practically brainless just for the sake of some kink fan service where the pure damsel in distress gets BDSM sex with the bad guy.
You can name a manhwa where a 23 year old grown up man is as gullible as a 8 year old child who keeps getting manipulated over and over again by the exact same trick and guy? The chapter that Siwon gets in the car with Lu Xuan and goes drinking with him can't be qualified under any precedent manhwa usual 'plot'.
You just don't get int the car of the person who already drugged you once and abused you. A 5 year old knows that and no, you can't name any other manhwa with such a mentally challenged character.
To pick the stupidity and mediocrity of a character like Siwon who got dumped down to an intellectual age below his teens and qualify as other usual manhwas characters doesn't work. You don't need to wait to get the manhwa who created the dumbest uke that is supposed to have mental capacity of an adult. It's called 'A Man Like You'. ... or more fitting ' A Dumb Man Like You'.

Heard it all before. Like did you literally copy and paste someone else's comment? And you totally didn't answer my question. Rude.

Name a bl manhwa where a mc is as dumb as siwon

No, I can't but at least I can name a few with characters that are likable and actually DEVELOP and GROW. At least I can name manhwas with plots that let the characters who own up, learn, and make themselves accountable for their mistakes.

Making the right choices, never getting confused, angry, stressed or depressed and never getting into arguments or conflicts... these do not define a good and likeable character because that would make them too perfect and boring. A character is established by his or her personality, motivations, agency, his attitude and reactions toward confusion, anger, conflicts, drama etc. From what I've read, Siwon is becoming less and less likable. He has no common sense, and lacks character agency, which is infuriating. If he liked Jinha, why wouldn't he at least give him the benefit of the doubt and not fully trust that Chinese guy. And wtf he's even blaming Jinha for everything that happened to him. He actually said it was all Jinha's fault why he got into that situation. Just. Wow. Instead of facing his problems, he always runs away. Yeah, he did regret what he said but did he do anything about it?? NO. He is just soooooo passive a character; no agency at all. He didn't even apologize for saying terrible things to Jinha. And now he's getting into another trouble. Wtf was he thinking when he went into the car?? What was he expecting to get from the bastard that drugged, harassed and bullied him? Would a sane person really make the decision to go with him??

On the other hand, the villain is just a plain douchebag. His crush for Siwon could have been a potential drive for him to develop as a character. He could have been someone who we, the readers, could sympathize with, if not empathize. But no, he continued being a bastard and an asshole. He's just a plain psychopath and sociopath.

I can't call Jinha a great character either. Why didn't he talk things out with Siwon about the problem at hand and come up with a plan together (or at least a compromise)? He only made decisions about their relationship on himself.

I think the main problem here is the never-ending drama and the downward spiral of the plot. It actually was a pretty okay manga in the beginning and I had high hopes that it would get better but no, it just decided to go downhill, it's ridiculous. The writer just doesn't give the characters justice.

As what I've said before, this sh*t is overrated af. It doesn't deserve a 9.5 to me. There are better manhwas out there that deserve more love and attention.

I agree.

Can see you again count as one (I think that’s how it’s called I managed to forget about it)

Of course you heard it all before. That's what the readers have been pointing out about this story. That's the whole point of it. Or do you imagine that every people just made up a new thing?
And I did answered your question. That was the very first line. You are not the smartest tool in the box, are you?

Link me and ill check it out.
Siwon is just the #1 dumbest character for me rn

It's not about characters being unrealistically perfect and never making any errors, but character growth just as how in real life we all emotionally develop and hopefully learn from our mistakes. Here are a couple of examples.
- Lover boy. Eunho is the same age as Siwon, he has done his military service and also suffers dependency issues related to childhood. Both M.C's struggle throughout, there is anxiety, self hatred, separation but more importantly there is communication, taking responsibility and maturity.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/lover_boy_lezhin/
- Sabita Yoru Demo Koi Wa Sasayaku. Concerns domestic abuse. They both separate and find other partners. There is a lot of introspection and growth, no one blames anyone else for their wrong doings. It shows how the "bad guy" became that way, and importantly how he can change his behaviour and have a healthy relationship with someone new rather than clinging onto something that should not be.
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/sabita_yoru_demo_koi_wa_sasayaku/
(back story and their future. It shows the abusive boyfriend who was the seme, become the "uke" in his new relationship too, seeing as people find such details important)
http://www.mangago.zone/read-manga/hadakeru_kaibutsu/

Name one where the MC makes all the wrong choices ALL the time, is ALWAYS dazed and confused, angry, stressed or depressed and ALWAYS gets into an argument and always puts himself in conflict and a bad situation. PLUS: He do it over and over again manipulated but the same guy.

You don't need to wait for this one: Siwon from 'A Man Like You'.
See the fallacy of your comparison? There is a HUGE difference between a character with a believable amount of stupidity and what is is now the golden standard for the stupidest MC. Siwon and this story is in a whole other level of anything you described because that is all he does over and over and over and over again. 62+ chapters of Siwon doing the same stupid mistake and having the same behavior. Put this shit piece of badly written character in the same level of any other manhwa is a disrespect to good characters. The author insults the readers intelligence with Siwon being such a defenseless, idiotic patsy who can't make simple easy decisions and this has nothing to do with any of what you described.

He/she just said "Probably that can't be named... " to your question that is "Can you name a BL manhwa that has an MC who makes all the right choices, never gets confused, angry, stressed or depressed and never gets into any arguments or conflicts or bad situations?" You just called him/her rude. Who's the rude one now?

And what's with you saying "Heard it all before. Like did you literally copy and paste someone else's comment?" ?? Wow. At least try to counter argue what he/she said instead of saying it's a copy from someone else's comment. Or is it that you don't actually have anything else to say to argue what he/she just said.

Y'all writing novels and shit explaining why you hate something and yet when this manhwa updates here you all are again. Maybe the story will never satisfy you and that's fine. You can stick to your opinions. But why not just stop reading it? Stop returning and telling people who do still enjoy the manhwa that we shouldn't or that we should "wake up". Honestly, what the fuck are you even doing here? ╮(￣▽￣)╭ It's simple really. Manhwas I don't enjoy are manhwas I don't keep reading. Common sense, guys.

in ''see you again'', the uke isn't ''dumb'' per se but he does make the dumbest decisions, if he can even help it ╮(￣▽￣)╭

makes you rage nonetheless tho

I keep coming here for the hopes of seeing the story improve. Guess what, it has not. What's the point of having the comment section?? Do you expect the comments to be all praises? Others can also actually learn from the comments, even those that love this manhwa, especially if they point out the bad things about it and not just saying "this is a terrible manhwa" because then maybe one day when they write or create their own stories, they would already know what NOT to write to make a good story.

And hey, other people, especially new readers also ask opinions from people who've already read this manhwa because they want to know if it's good or if it's not worth reading at all. Who'd want to read a manga that would just waste their time?? THIShis way, they'd know just by reading the comments and responses.

I give comments because I also want to share my thoughts and feelings about a subject. Others may care or not. Why are people so butthurt with negative comments? Let's be open-minded shall we? You can disagree with my opinions so then maybe we can agree to disagree.

I actually keep reading it just to see how WORSEE it can get, and guess what it become soooo much WORSE then I thought it would be. I never thought it possible XD

1. Here U Are - read it. while he did get angry, he still stay a smart mother fucker you don't want to mass with.

2. Jazz for two - the character do change and move on and learn things, wow they actually "learn" to move on and change. how amazing is that, since "a guy like you" seem to never be able to do that shit.

3. Can't take my eyes off you - again a good example how you don't need a shit and over the top drama to make a good story. and yeas the character change and grow of course, like any good story should. what again, missing in "a guy like you"

I already name 3 comic that don't need over the top and stupid drama to be good or any bad situations they can avoid. I can name more if you want, but I think you get my point by now.

can't take my eyes off you is my fave ;-;

Here U Are and Jazz for Two are my favorites! Such lovable and straightforward characters that take no bs from others. I still have to read Can't take my eyes off you though.

One manga that I thought would also spiral down was My Starry Sky because I didn't know where it was going and the drana was so heavy. At least I can sympathize with the MC with what he was going through. Good thing I held onto it because my god the MC has matured and really grown. I'm now in love with that manga. I was hoping this manhwa would go better too, and Siwon would really grow some balls to fix his situation or at least reflect on it. Apparently, it's not going that way.

Thank you! I totally agree! It's been more than 60 chapters and Siwon is still the good old Siwon. Other manhwas have done better pacing and character development in only about 20 chapters.