Hey, I was wondering, why do you think there is so much more people who loves yaoi than Yu...

its the same with world, how everyone loves lesbians but people hate on gay guys. They get most of the shit from everyone

I've only read a handful of Yuri, but could it be because Yuri sometimes borrows from Shoujo tropes? Yaoi does the same with certain relationships, like student-teacher and upper classmen-lower classmen. Yaoi from the early 2000s does the same, but there's always been room for different types of relationships. Does yaoi experiement with different relationships more than Yuri? I'm asking because my Yuri knowledge is very limited.

Well usually the Yuri plots aren’t all that good. Like I’m a lesbian that also likes yaoi, I would like Yuri more but mostly the art and plot don’t do for me.

Well for that I think it's because of the old society... A man who gets penetrate is seen as if he depreciates himself... And guys are stuck with the role of the projector of the family so they can't be weak... It's totally stupid... Meanwhile lesbians are more seen as two girls who plays with each other and it turns on a lot of guys so I think it's why... But lesbophobia exists also

I was replying to the first answer btw
So for the other things, is Yuri younger than yaoi? I mean, maybe they just doesn't have the time to grow old enough for better plots cause yeah, it's very often in high school... I really like Yuri personally and since I just like reading even if the plot aren't as interesting I still read it, and also read yaoi but many of them also doesn't have a really proof and interesting story I find, so I was just guessing why the difference was so high, thanks for yours replies guys!

Not enough good yuri. I like both but I have yet to read a good yuri with a nice story and good sex but I’ve read plenty of yaoi with good stories and great sex. And I think censorship plays a part. Character development and being an complex character also is important and I haven’t really seen realistic and relatable characters in yuri. Yuri is kinda like eating bland food that’s different from the good things you normally eat. At the same time, I’ve read hundreds of bl manga and and the amount of gl manga I’ve read are just under the amount of fingers on my hand. Idk I haven’t seen/read enough yuri for it to come even as close as how vastly creative and interesting yaoi is.

The caracters are just .. cold nd don't give much expression .. nd sometimes .. maybe too boring ? It has to find its way to get away from reality nd give us something crazy like yaoi did with killing staking .. easy target and so on .. or at least show a really cute side or whatever

Yes its exist, but women are aesthetically pleasing, so men get turned on and women are more open-minded, so they accept it as well. But yeah there are some ridiculous girls that say 'ew' which pisses me off and some disgusting men who are misogynist and think women should only please them. Whereas gay men are accepted by some women, not a lot tho but that changing cause of yaoi :3 . But they aren't accepted by men cause they think its toxic to their masculinity .

So, I agree with the most of you, when I read the imagination that the yaoi authors have I'm just amazed, I would love more yuris in another worlds or whit some psychopaths characters xD there are some of them which have that but not a few... Then second question, why does the yuris authors stay in the reality and don't go exploring more funny ways, I mean, there are so much things to do! Argh

Then answer to the second topic xD
I think also that many stupid girls think that the gays men in yaoi are the same as in the reality and get pissed when they finally understand that it's not... Even if the yaoi helps to increase the tolerance for gays men it also has some vicious effects when the readers are too dumb... It's such a shame

yeah but the only way to change peoples mind is to use media and i think yaoi is great to make it more tolerable (I used to be so homphobic, thank god that ended).

Even if its not realistic when there is a strict top and bottom role. Theres nothing wrong with being a total bottom or top, especially total bottom. Hence most bi men love yaoi. Plus yaoi is made in japan. Women can only draw what they see and most Japanese men have that twinkish, feminine body type which i love and think is not a problem at all. Hence bi men love it but gay men prefer bara.

I hate bara tho, its too much smut and muscular and most of them don't even have a plot (except yashiro and doukmei but that yaoi story, not bara but they are muscular (heart eyes)).

It's cause they are made by gay men who rather go straight into it then make a plot. Its the same with yuri, its made by straight men who rather go into smut (you can tell me off with this one, cause i haven't read any Gl, so I don't know how its like, but i want to read it. I prefer anything that not heterosexual lmao).


Wherease yaoi is made by straight women who love plot and buildup rather than the actual smut. There are smutty yaoi out there tho.

A lot of people don’t like the way women are portrayed in manga or manwha. It’s pretty sexist. Yaoi is a bit less sexist, and when it is its sexist against women instead of the “real world” which is sexist against women. So women prefer yaoi. If they came out with non-sexist yuri I’d read it.

Let me rephrase: If they came out with INTERESTING non-sexist yuri I’d read it.

I'm sorry if I come off as rude (I didn't intend that at all). I got absorbed into discussing it since it was interesting and it is the first time im replying on mangago, and i realized there are emoji at the bottom corner (๑•ㅂ•)و✧

I think Yuri authors/ mangaka might fall into the same trap many authors do. They have trouble writing good female characters. It's harder to write imaginative plots when you don't have a good sense of how characters should act to make a story belivable. Yaoi has this same problem. There's rarely any good female characters.

Yaoi definitely doesn't come close to actual LGBT stories, but there are exceptions that are written by male and female authors. Does Yuri have the same problems?

i just feel uncomfortable with animated/drawn vaginas? not sure why but it freaks me out. like i'm so for being w/ a girl and stuff irl but idk the animated/drawn vaginas just creep me out for some odd reason.

like yuri is great mad respect to yuri authors i just can't.

maybe one day tho

There's no "less sexist" in my book. Yaoi IS sexist. I've tons and tons of yaoi where the seme or uke generalize women. I remember reading a manga where the seme straight up said women are troublesome, so he prefers men. Some call women spoiled as well. It can get pretty disgusting after a while, but I overlook it for the sake of the plot.

Yeah I still believe that yaoi is a good way to put an end to homophobia but for the homophobes it's a way to prove that homosexuality is a bad thing because of the twisted characters xD And what's important is what you are now! You can't helped if younger you were stupid, it's amazing to see how you have changed!

It's a sadly thing to see that the bottom role is still categorized as the person who is dominated hence who is weaker than the top... Personally I love more it when the position twist but I don't mind if they are always the same also

Yeah bara is not really my type either...

Some long gl there are moonlight garden which takes place in another world, the plot is really interesting but you have to read many chapters for the story to really begin, and the sexs scenes are well drawn I think... Elixir takes place in our world but with witches and there are twisted characters and good sexs scenes also and the art is peculiar, what does the fox says and pulse take place in a realistic world and... Good sexs scenes also
And some funny that is shorter there is nicocchu, and many others but I don't remember the names xD

When the plot is good and the characters are developed with deep feelings and complex personalities its just the best

Btw I answered to the long reply higher and didn't see all of the other answers cause I'm late at writing in english by I'm happy that so many people answered, I hope that you find interesting reading the discussion cause personally I really love it! So thanks guys!