For me, I really don't support it in real life.
And in manga, it's not really a big deal to me cuz it's fictional. It's not real person, right? That's why I feel funny when someone say this is rape etc, like can y'all read the goddamn tag first before say that? If it's trigger you, then don't.
But, somehow, I really don't like it if manga with the character is an old man who the rapist. Like y'know my point is? There no plot at all. So meh.
what you mean. elaborate prease.
Well, have you ever entered a comment section to see someone saying "it's not rape because he likes it" or something along those lines? This is the type of stuff that I'm talking about. It's usually even tagged as rape.
I get the first part but not the second one.
Also, what the hell is up with the dislikes? It's confusing.
ahh no, I haven't seen any comment like that myself but I get what you mean.
yeah, I heard the same “oh it’s not rape bc he liked it” with the killing stalking finale. like no that was rape, bum said no clearly yet sangwoo continued, and it doesn’t make it consensual bc bum had a natural, physical reaction. i dont know maybe its a way for the reader to not feel bad about liking it..
Ugh yeah... it's so annoying and everyone is just heads over heels for scenes they don't know--or rather deny--is rape.
Tbh i think it's just cause they aren't really educated in that shit. I guess we should just do our part in the community and point out problematic behaviors like that. I sound like a mom lol, but you get me right?
Oh lmao I get that! I don't really care about the rape as long as the seme is hot, sexy and handsome (๑•ㅂ•)و✧
there is a double standard when it concerns male rape, sadly. if someone isn't narrating "oh no I'm being raped by this man!" they just wave it off. But 70% or more yaoi features sexual assault in one way or another. just because the uke goes from "stop!" to wanting the seme doesn't mean it wasn't sexual assault while the seme was being told to stop it. they think if the uke eventually likes it that it wasn't ever assault/rape. I think in part with the high % of sexual assault in yaoi it is normalized to a degree that readers, especially young ones, don't understand when something is wrong within the story they're reading.
They can't face themselves. I think too many can't face the fact that they might have fictional rape fetish (which is fine if they can separate reality and fiction) so it's easier to just say "it's not rape!" so they can enjoy it without the guilt.
just because it's a fictional characters in a made up story doesn't mean it's not rape. what sort of mental gymnastics is that???
for real, and it's not like these people can't stop reading/liking stories and characters, like there are fetishes enjoyed in fiction that people would never touch in real life, but it's a disservice to ignore that in these stories and fictional situations a character is being raped and readers should know the signs instead of getting defensive over the sexual assault of men (that is under reported) in stories. if they get this way over a fake story what's to say they wouldn't react the same over the real life person's trauma because they're that ignorant?
I'll translate it for you.
In short terms they're saying as long as the seme is hot and young the fictional rape is enjoyed by them. But when they see a fat old man being a rapist then suddenly it's not hot anymore. A dangerous double standard.
Wtf are talking about? It's fictional? Not live. No soul, nobody hurts. Are you out your mind? Triggered much, sweet heart?
Maybe some people like that, but remember, not all of them like that.
I don't give a shit about the rape thing. So, if there's a manga that have rape tag and the plot is trash, I'm not gonna like it and read it. But, if there's a manga that have rape tag but have a good plot, why the fuck not I enjoy reading that?
So you see, it's not about rape thing, I don't give a damn about the rape thing.
This is what I called is chill people. People nowsdays always such a critics about what people like when they disagree.
the thing is manga, especially yaoi tends to romanticize and justify rape and sexual assault because "its hot" and younger readers tend to not recognize the problem.
i don't think including rape in fiction is a bad thing, its fiction, it can be part of a well written story! however it needs to be addressed properly, no sugar coating and no justification, because all that does is create a harmful mindset
Sorry if this pisses people off but honestly I think a lot of people ignore this side of the argument because it's s lot easier to just say "I was raised learning that anything but a yes is a no" and I'm sorry that's way over simplifying the issue and every instance is different mmk? Also I'm reposting this so if I forgot to edit some irrelevant things I apologize.
OK I'll give a brief warning here. This will be a very long rant. In fact this is the longest thing i think ive ever written jn my life. It will involve rape. It will involve many heated topics where people have strong opinions. Now let's goooooo.
1. I will first and foremost, address some things about japanese culture. I have many japanese friends and even had an exchange student live with me for a few months. Rape is very real and ugly to them they think it is just as horrible as anyone else HOWEVER they use the word no with abundance, and it is far less serious than it is here. In bed, (fictional at least) saying no is often a come on. The tsundere trope is far more integrated than you guys may realize. It is cute to be contrary and to pretend you don't like things when you really do. Real life people are rarely like this however so something you may notice is that in the more unrealistic Mangas (sad to say it but those with lgbtq characters, fantasy, and shonen and seinen) you will find tsundere people, you will find characters who say no, and guess what? You will find what we interpret as rape to be more loving and just really romance to them. If you don't want this blurred line of what is and isn't rape, go for slice of life and realistic mangas. Guaranteed you will be far less confused.
2. Now, writing. Writing is confusing. Even a simple text you think is nothing more, people can take offense to. How about entire stories. People can misunderstand entire plots because we can't ask the authors what they meant. Far more often than not, what we think is rape, is a loving scene for the author. Especially due to the cultural differences listed above. If an author wants something to appear horrible and rapish. They will make it so. Believe me you can freaking tell when something is for real rape. I understand people get touchy about this. I have met people who have been raped. I Have Heard stories. I'm sorry but there's nothing remotely loving about it my dudes. If you have ever been sexual abused in anyway I deeply apologize and I can't even imagine, in fact, the tsundere trope is probably your worst enemy.
3. Rape. I have read just about every english yaoi Manga out there. Not even kidding. I have spent probably 10 years of my life reading Manga and I average about 5 hours a day. I'm an addict. I have read rape. Many Manga would fall under dubious consent, but not rape. Not the real scary kind anyway. The tsundere trope kind I can be convinced of certainly but for now, due to how the authosr portray sex scenes, I'm going with dubious consent.
4. Stockholm syndrome. I'm not even really going to get into this. Look it up guys. It's an very specific syndrome and a lot of what people say is, usually isnt.
5. Does it look like the uke is trying hard to get rid of the seme? Or the other way around? Usually the answer is no. No he didnt. He just kinda layed back and comically delt with it along with the flow of the manga. Is that how you, or anyone would react with meeting their rapist? No. You bring me one real life case where the victim had no (pre-existing) mental issues and they love and go back to their rapist. IT DOESN'T HAPPEN BECAUSE IT IS NEVER PLEASANT. Sexually? Sure the body does what it does and likes it. But emotionally? Absolutely freaking not you don't like it. And please don't bring up denial because no. Just no. What the uke went through was distressing, but not unpleasant to a high degree. Again not because I said so, because the authors usually make it so. That's just the vibe they put out man.
6. Omegaverse. Like I said earlier. The more ridiculous the story, the more ridiculous the characters and Omegaverse certainly fits the bill. Liberties that before could not be taken, can in Omegaverse because during the so called "heat" you lose your composure either partly or completely according to what the author wants. In most cases, I'd argue completely. So yes, in a situation where it would normally be rape, it is now two people so needy for sex that they can't control control what they're doing. This is usually exacerbated by whether they like the person or not. The author is allowed to do what he wants with Omegaverse so really you never know what you're going to get. Sorry if you hated this. My intention was to enlighten rather than insult so I hope that's what you got. Have a swell day and best wishes. Also please for the love of god look up Stockholm syndrome so you can never throw it around in yaoi Manga again. The shoe doth not fit!!
I only looked over this and read the ending. Frankly, I heard all of those arguments before so sorry but that's nothing new to me. On the other hand, some of the other commenters on here might not have heard of those things before so either way, there is a high chance someone will find out something new :).
Could you tell me who you were talking to? The "Stockholm syndrome" part? You did not address the person you were referring to and I did not mention Stockholm syndrome at all in this comment section so I assume that it is not be.
Btw, you kinda sound like ass or someone who takes themselves too seriously.
So many people don't seem to get it. Anyone got any ideas why?