In defense of Hajun ... He is just acting as expected.

Finally someone with some common sense. (〜￣△￣)〜

I felt like I was the only one who looked at this from Hajun's POV.

All the other people here only look at things from Blondie's or Pinkie's POV, and completely forget why Blackie is acting "cold".

How people can feel bad for Pinkie and not Blackie is beyond me. ╮(￣▽￣)╭

Anyways, I have no clue if this is a spoiler. Maybe I missed something, but who is this? (Do not click if you dont' want any spoilers still e.e)

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Manipulative Player Alert! (Maybe)

oh at last someone have supported me

On point. I would have never cared about others' opinion on shipping, but the fact they're gravitating their anger towards prez is just stupid. If there's a character who's an utter trash, that would be the pink-hair dude. Playing with prez' feelings and manipulation both characters. I just can't see anything likeable with that attitude.

I agree with you. I was actually scrolling through the comments to see if anyone actually looked at this fairly! It’s this idea that since they’re the main couple, Hajun is required to fall in love with Minho, but why should he have to do so immediately, if at all? They are not giving any consideration to the concept of consent here. Plus Sekyung is manipulative af and just not a good person, even if that little backstory was interesting. There are a lot of kids reading this and I can tell you that they’ve gotten used to the yaoi convention of the abusive seme and are just too immature/inexperienced/uninformed to realize how troubling that is.

I’d bet you anything that the average age of this thread is significantly higher than that of the rest of the comments. Because I used to think that way when I was younger, until I went through an abusive friendship myself and things started to look a little different.

well i can clearly see why you are on blackies side lol
sure all the people having a different pov must be young and stupid, and you're actually the clever insightful ones #jesus

the reason why ppl dislike blackie is NOT bc he doesn't immediatly fall for blondie but because he behaves like an arrogant prick who's a poor victim of fate, when he's clearly not lol

he wakes up and says the idea of him and blondie spending the night is so disgusting, he wants to hurl
he says that even tho he's gay and said he doesn't eveb know blondie very well, like wut? that's not a super asshole thing to say, to the persons face too lol?
even more when it also was his drunken ass getting himself in that mess and situation (literally)

blackie is no innocent little fella. he wanted to go back with pinky 'bc he knew it might be his only chance', like that doesn't sound calculating given the alcohol involved.
he also constantly acts like everyone is just so stupid and beneath him, heads up, no one likes such people, minho remembers that he even treated him like that before the incident
he doesn't want to take responsibilty for the situation when minho asks him for his help (well he actually doesn't even listen and thinks blondie is a stalker..)
yes i actually believe you cannot just fuck with someone and then act like that never happened and doesn't concern you, so no i don't think that hanju is so mercifull when he actuall goes to the family dinner (and he only did go for his crush too) it's more in his interest than in blondies that this doesn't become a big deal and pinky doesn't find out the truth behind the rumours

he then also accuses blondie that he spread the rumour, like why would he do that? why would he want to lie about being with blackie, like blackie is just that great and wanted, suure, and blackie doesn't care one bit about blondies situation and is only concerned what pinky might think
most of this was before minho had feelings for him, and everytime he acted as if blondie was an annoying nuisance not better than dirt under his shoes, THAT'S why people don't like him
he acts like the cheerleader captain that was asked out by the nerdy guy, just that it's the other way around (and no, decent humans do not act that way towards people interested in them, on top of that is that he mostly just assumed that blondie was)

it's obvious what type the author wanted him to be, tons of yaois and shoujous like that, where the nerdy, serious unapproachable type is paired with the popular goofy deliquent type..just that she made him too bitchy and arrogant and forgot to show us something good about him and his personality to redeem that and make him actually likeable
like even you don't understand why minho likes him either

i think we can all agree that blondie would be better off w/o him and instead with someone who actually likes him (and that's why people favor pinky), readers actually like blondie so they obviously dislike blackie for his behaviour.. just imagine that blondie would be your friend and had all that going on (guy who calls a one night stand with them disgusting etc.)
i mean honestly, blackie is so arrogant he can't even fathom how pinky could like someone as him (!) haha


if you seriously think this is actually all because of people's ships or that blackie didn't just fall in love asap (like most fiction stories even ever go that way haha), then i don't think it's the majority of readers here that are too young&dumb and with no common sense to understand the story...

a) Point1: 'he wakes up and says the idea of him and blondie spending the night is so disgusting, he wants to hurl
he says that even tho he's gay and said he doesn't eveb know blondie very well, like wut? that's not a super asshole thing to say, to the persons face too lol?'

- that's one offensive thing to say. "He says that even though he's gay". I think you can ponder this yourself what's wrong with this statement.
- you were DRUNK. I don't care whether I woke up with the most handsome person next to me, or the nicest person in the school. But it would be a shock that you woke up with a stranger. That's like being taken advantage just bc you were drunk (regardless of reasons)

b) Point 2: "he then also accuses blondie that he spread the rumour, like why would he do that?"

- who freaking else knew in the school that they slept together? It's just b/n him and blondie. I would be more freaked out if he blindly blamed other people.

c) Point 3: "most of this was before minho had feelings for him, and everytime he acted as if blondie was an annoying nuisance not better than dirt under his shoes, THAT'S why people don't like him"

- he already rejected him. And told him to stop talking to him... if he still persists, wouldn't you find that annoying? People are stuck with the idea of MC x ML. You have to consider that the MC currently likes the pink-hair dude.

d) Point 4: "it's obvious what type the author wanted him to be, tons of yaois and shoujous like that..."

- the physical appearance does resemble. If you remove blond from the story, and make pink-hair dude as the ML. It would be like a typical Yaoi. The MC likes ML, and he's (MC) being nice to him and stuff. You'd actually read it like a reading a shoujo type manga. Then add the blond hair dude. Take him as a side character who likes the MC. If it's the typical shoujo manga, the MC would waver about his feelings. Shifting back and forth to pink and blond. BUt it's not. That's what likeable about this character. Of all the yaoi and manga I've read. He has the firmest personality that can reject the person he doesn't like and focus on the person he likes.

Again, you're stuck with the idea that MC should fall in love with ML that's why you hate his personality every now and then. You look at them with a labels. You look at them as MC, ML, and a side character. The good thing about this manhua is that the author made the characters stick to their respective personality and made them act as close to reality.

oh dear, really?

1) no please evaluate why a gay man would find the idea of sleeping with another man so disgusting that he wants to puke and it's okay for him to say that? i bet if he was a straight character saying that you would act like that's the most offending thing ever to say
the point is that it's the most disrespectful thing you can say in that situation, even more when it seems like a lie blackie said to deal with the shock
and no, lol, if you cannot deal with your alcohol, then don't drink, simple
blondie was just as drunk so it's not like one part used the state of the other, they were both drunk, and for all we know it could even be hanju that wanted to get in blondie's pants, blackie is responsible for the mess he's in

2) again, no
what would his motive be? exactly, none really, since it was even blondie's idea to not talk about it, also 'no one else knew', haha no, both were so drunk that they do not remember what happened, so they potentially could have made out in front of everyone, blackie doesn't know that. the fact that he thinks blondie has an interest to spread that rumour even tho it's just as bad for him only shows that blackie mostly thinks about him as the center of things happening, thinking blondie spread the rumour to get back at him or sth similiar.

3) i think you haven't gotten my point. sure it's annoying, but that's NOT how you act as a decent human. i've had 10x worse guys annoying the fuck out of me than blondie, and i never once acted like the unpolite disrespectful bitch blackie does. THAT'S exactly what ppl don't like about him, NOT that he doesn't like minho back. geez, i wouldn't even want them together as do most readers, so that argument doesn't make much sense. also, the fact that blackie rejected him w/o even knowing what he wanted and just assuming that he likes him or anything is also an arrogant behaviour.

4) i'm assuming you haven't read much yaoi then, but again, it's not about him liking pinkie, there wouldn't even much of a story if 2 characters just fall for each other and that's it, the personality i described hasn't even that much to do with the respective love interest but with the typical clashing personalities of an uptight serious guy from a strict (unloving) family who is cold or gets bullied and the aloof easygoing type who doesn't follow the rules and has a loving family, has tons of friends, blabla. this has been done in both BL and straight fiction tons of times. just that this is a very bad example how to bc blackie has only the bad traits yet lol (she's all that, clueless, wild chick, etc. all have a dmiliar approach)

like i said, no, i do not even want blackie to fall for blondie, i wouldn't see their relationship as healthy and i want minho to be with someone that truly likes him. like i said, imagine your friend would be into that guy that treated them like trash, you wouldn't be like 'oh wow i want them together', sure as hell not.
i hate his personality because he sits on a horse so high he can see the clouds and treats other people except pinkie like they aren't worth his time, and on top of that w/ o a legit reason. no one likes arrogant people who can't even offer anything to justify their feeling of superiority
i also don't care about mc etc, haven't even talked about that haha, it's just that blondie is a likeable guy, so readers care about him. i'm actually the type that favours the side ships over the main ones in most cases bc they tend to not be as predictable

*sigh* I can't believe I'm actually going to explain this to you, since you will never see this from my POV. But here I go.

1) "no please evaluate why a gay man would find the idea of sleeping with another man so disgusting that he wants to puke and it's okay for him to say that?"

- The idea? He actually woke up naked to someone he doesn't know AND he was also expecting that to be his crush. He obviously said it because he was shocked.

"i bet if he was a straight character saying that you would act like that's the most offending thing ever to say"

- No, because I would still understand why the hell he said it. And this has nothing to do with sexuality at all, but okay.

"the point is that it's the most disrespectful thing you can say in that situation, even more when it seems like a lie blackie said to deal with the shock"

- Maybe it's not the kindest thing you can say to someone, but he was shocked like I said before. And what lie are you talking about? I wouldn't call it lying when you say something out of shock.

"and no, lol, if you cannot deal with your alcohol, then don't drink, simple
blondie was just as drunk so it's not like one part used the state of the other, they were both drunk, and for all we know it could even be hanju that wanted to get in blondie's pants, blackie is responsible for the mess he's in"

- They never told us if it was Hajun's first time drinking or not, they told us that it was Minho's first time drinking, so it could've been Hajun's first time as well. And since he's such a goodie-two-shoes kid I would assume that. They were both drunk and we don't know what happened that night, so who knows what actually happened between them. Yeah, they're both responsible for the mess they're in, it was their choice to drink even though with Blackie it was pressured onto him. But Hajun also has a choice in where he wants to go with it, and he chose not to talk about it again and just to be sure, that they wouldn't meet again. He did this to protect himself from Sekyung knowing.

2) - I'm not even going to... what? Of course he would go to Minho first. It's about those two. No one in this world would think of someone else in this situation than the one person they know knows about it. That's just common sense. Continue.

3) - We are different people. Hajun is clearly way different than you. Decent human? Nope, I would be mad af. And remember it's not only to protect himself, but also to protect the relationship between him and Sekyung. Hajun doesn't want anything to do with Minho anymore. In his mind it was a mistake and he just wants to move on. If a dude kept bothering me about it and tried to ask for my number and come to his house I would also be quite annoyed. I guess we're all different though, but almost everyone I know would be annoyed with that.

4) - I've seen loads of people like Hajun in manga. And to me he of course has some bad traits, no one's perfect. I would never call him a bitch though. All the people reading this are only looking at things from Minho's and Sekyung's POV because they can't bother to even try and understand why Hajun is acting the way he is. Even though you might try to get it, you clearly just don't understand the feelings and actions of a person like this. Saying that he's not a decent human and calling him an unpolite, disrespectful bitch is just shitty of you when you can't even get his personality right.

"imagine your friend would be into that guy that treated them like trash, you wouldn't be like 'oh wow i want them together', sure as hell not."

- It's their fucking business. If Minho was my friend, I would've let him do what he gotta do, but Hajun's actions are understandable. Since I said why his actions are understandable before I will not say it again.

- We're clearly never going to agree. To me I can understand Hajun's actions 100%, but I guess you just can't. Honestly how old are you? If you don't want to tell me that's fine, I don't wanna pressure you or anything. I'm just wondering, since we talked about the age thing before. Goodbye for now.

i think you're seriously missing my points and i'm just repeating myself

1) of course he was shocked, but tht at explains and not justifies his behaviour. i mean really, saying something in affect is still saying it and i can still hold him accountable for that
and yes, the sexuality plays a role, a gay man shouldn't find the sole idea of having sex with another man so disgusting that he wants to puke, blondie is a normal guy, not unhygienic, old, fat, or anything other that would make him much different from pinkie, so waking up to a random normal dude shouldn't be hella disgusting then, unless you're straight or asexual or sth..how disgusting was it even when he chose to do that while drunk? alcohol isn't that powerful, nor did he actually show any signs of real disgust..which is why i think he just said that because he's embarrased about it
it doesn't change the fact that even if you feel that way, you should keep your mouth shut, the point is that his behaviour was assholish, no matter why(!)

2)that was NOT the problem. please bother to actually read what i write. it's not about him talking to minho, it's about him accusing him directly that he did that, even tho that's kinda unlikely, without actually given him a chance to explain the thing or hear his pov..again, NOT how respectful polite people act

3) i think you haven't gotten the point. it's okay to act out on your feelings when you're under the age of 12, maybe 14, but after that: no. feeling annoyed and acting on it are 2 cup of teas, and that's the issue: it's not about your or my pov, it's about the fact that objectively hanju's behaviour is shit, especially since this was only such a hassle because he didn't bother to listen to blondie and just assumed he wanted to hook up when all he wanted was to clear the situation with his family and was only so persistent because of that, it's not that hard to listen to a person for 5 minutes, minho could have wanted to talk about sth serious as std for all he knows, that's why i said that you cannot complain that you fucked with someone and that this then has some consequences in your life, even when that's just talking...sticking your head in the sand doesn't work at a certain age
oh and ps: acting like a stuck up bitch to guys you reject can easily turn into something quite ugly.

honestly if someone should be concerned about age that's me, not you lol, but i find the use of ad hominem in this thread pathetic anyway
you understand it? good, it's not about understanding but about justifying. understanding that a guy who got raped as a child by his mother know kills women for that reason is one thing, saying it's okay because of that another one. this is the same for a smaller scale. acting like an ass because you were bullied? no. slapping your children because that's what happened to you? no. using being drunk as an excuse for cheating? no.you're doing the same with hanju, all i did was explain why people dislike him, and you tried to undermine all this wrong doings by, yeah by what? he was shocked and minho was annoying. oh wow. it's ironic really, because you also cannot understand hanju because the author failes to explain ANYTHING about him yet. he literally has no personality aside from stuck up prez, disliking minho and liking senpai
we do not know what he does in his free time, about friends and family, why he reacted how he did, but you tell me you get him? the only part that you get is also that you're not able to listen to people before judging and somehow think you're just so clever unlike the others, that's why you have a different opinion, and someone disagreeing must surely have a limited empathy level #that'swhyinternetdiscussionsareuselessandfakenewswin

i showed you with proof why people dislike blackie, and you go on and try to undermine those facts and keep on telling me the majority of readers only feels that way because of the simple and illogical reason that he doesn't like minho back, like damn dude, i wonder why people don't dislike most yaoi characters then lol
maybe, just maybe, people understand but it doesn't make much of a difference to them, and they just dislike someone who behaves badly? just maybe

you try to ignore the clear flaws this story has and the poor bad job the artist did by blaming the readers for a legitimate opinion and observation, because YOU PERSONALLY like people like blackie. oh and yes, he behaves like a bitch and he isn't real, if you get offened by that i ask myself how you can overlook blackies behaviour, but fine, he has a super disgusting personality, better?

Dude, I give up.

Thanks for this nice discussion, even though I've read every comments up there and still dont' know what you're talking about with that last comment. I don't think I missed your points at all, but that might be all me. I think you missed my points, but I'm absolutely horrible at explaing shit, so I think this is my bad.
Maybe I just suck at English honestly xD

I'm just gonna say that Hajun had every right to be overly cautious with Minho. And act kinda shitty considering the situation, that's the difference between us though. So, I'm not going to write about that again :P I'm not overlooking his behaviour, I just accept it.

Now, I'll shut up.

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I can't find a laughing emoji so it's just that... :))