I can't equate someone being a good person with the act of raping/molesting somebody ... what a let down.

Rapey??

It is not?
You are sleeping and somebody take off your clothes and start having sex with you ... Except in Yaoi maybe, where in the world this is not sexual molestation?
That's pretty creepy and like I said, it's like the guy turned into a different person because I can't relate being a good person to doing something so low.
It's not a matter if the guy didn't care or proceed to force himself too and then it's all good. That's just makes creepier. The story is asking me to keep seeing the guy as a decent, sweet good guy but the act of taking advantage of someone is something that doesn't add up for such character.
It didn't make sense to me, he looked someone who would help the guy without malice and he was totally a pervert creep.

Like the jerking off in the bathroom part wasn't weird.

I was disappointed too. I didn't see that coming because he seemed such a good person. I thought their connection would start with mutual attraction or bonding. He had no way to know if the guy was attracted to him or if he would be okay with it so the result does not excuse the act.
I have nothing against rape in fiction but I feel sad when I see people who seem don't understand that what they are reading is rape or sexual abuse. I have been victim of such behavior once when I was on a sleepover with a friend. Some people still ask if I was really mad since I had a crush on him. Why is so hard to understand that anything done without consent is wrong and twisted?

I mean I wouldn't say fully rapey....cause in the end someone was getting topped. Like in the beginning he should not have done that but in the end and a little after the beginning they both wanted it. So like meh....on the rape part for me at least.

hmm... I don't really understand the comparison. How's jerking off in the privacy of a bathroom stall compares to molesting someone? Unless he was exposing himself, I don't see how it really matters if his panting was from shitting or jerking off. One may be weird or embarrassing -- I guess the guy had no other place to relieve himself -- but hardly unlawful or an indicative of bad character.

The point is that this was weird from the start. I'm not trying to compare.

Sorry to hear about what happened to you ... :(

Ah okay. :)
Sorry about the misunderstanding.

Nah its cool fam, i should have made that more clear

Rapey isn't really the best term for this.
He was molesting him, and then the guy topped him. Both didn't make a fuss either and were rather into it right off the bat.

So does the fact that he was molesting him, rather than raping him, make it okay? The dude was asleep and didn't give consent; it doesn't matter whether or not they both enjoyed it, it's still wrong and inexcusable.

Exactly in the end he molested him and in the end the other guy pretty much raped him because he didn't give a clear consent to sex, even if it looked like he enjoyed it

Did I ever say that it makes it ok? No, I did not. Please stop assuming.
"it doesn't matter whether or not they both enjoyed it", that IS actually important as it changes the entire situation if we're talking legal/illegal issues.
All in all, it had nothing to do with rape. One guy molested the other, then said Molester was actually topped by the molested guy. And we all know he was happy to be topped due to what he said/thought. Which makes me wonder why people make this a rape issue all of a sudden (like pedolecki appearantly).

Verbal consent is not needed for the majority of people, there are actually people who bother to fend off someone that tries to have intercourse with them. The character even said/thought/narrated that he was into it. So it was in fact not rape.

First of all, I agreed with you that it was molestation and not rape, so idk why you're trying so hard to prove that the situation didn't involve rape. Second of all, the guy was fucking sleeping, and was taken advantage of. That's wrong on so many levels.

you are describing sexual assault, and it's really alarming finding all the comments trying to justify what was portrayed, arguing if 'molesting' or 'raping'. yikes. I think some have lost it reading too much yaoi.

sexual assault is sexual assault. but around here I guess if you don't fight someone off or cry about it, it's not a big deal. would this discussion be the same if it was a girl???

And verbal consent is not needed in situations where people show physical signs that they want to have sex through body language, such as getting touchy with their partner. I think it'd be near impossible to tell whether or not the molested guy wanted to be sexually touched when he wasn't even awake and aware of what was happening. And just because your body reacts a certain way when being touched sexually (ie. getting an erection), it doesn't mean you necessarily like it or want to engage in intercourse. In this situation, as fucked up as it sounds, the molested guy thankfully liked it and willingly had sex with his molestor so it didn't become a bigger issue. But what if he didn't like it? The molestor would then be seen as a bad guy because of his actions, and the molested one would be seen as a victim of molestation. Which is funny because that was exactly what the case was //before// the sleeping guy awoke. The only thing that made it seem like a consensual situation was because he decided to go along with it. There's simply no way in hell that the molestor's actions can be justified; what he did was wrong and he knew it, he just got lucky that his victim was willing to top him in the end.

I kinda asked the same thing in a totally different story. Lots of Yaoi includes raping especially high school ones. BUT really now I don't think it was rape in this one. The mc clearly had sexual desires for him and he was giving him a bj while he was asleep. He was molesting him. But then again, the seme liked it and fucked him afterwards. Who is in the wrong? I say both. I say no one.

I wasn't 'trying hard to prove it wasn't rape', I simply stated the difference. And It All I wanted to say was that the term 'rapey' shouldn't be used, that's really all.
(And to reply to your second seperate post), I never try to justify that kinda behavior, really. I'm not keen on rape and molesting is a bit of a 50-50 for me (this one was ok for me since it did turn out to be mutual).
I have just seen too many threads starting with the term 'rapey' or flat out rape even tho there was none, that many people start downvoting and bashing the manga without even reading it. That really ruins many good manga, especially on here were there are no mods and admins keeping the comments section in check.
People should be careful with the term rape since many (for some kinda reason I do not understand) preffer reading the comments section BEFORE reading the manga. And well, if they come across anything negative with rape being included...they'll just skip the work rather than see if it's actually like what was said. And I'd really like to avoid that, personally. ^^;

Please don't get me wrong, I didn't try to start a fight with you or anything. Sorry if it came across like that.