Lol

I have 2 things to say about this response: 1. The logic isn't flawed... The intent behind any definition is to give a solid, straight forward explanation of the subject, so it is meant to be taken as written, not for what's NOT written... If anything, you inserting "spoken" is the flawed logic as the definition is the way it is for clarity and you're just adding things as you see fit. 2. "Read your opinion or continue with my life"? You're under MY topic, YOU left your opinion under my topic and when you got upset because you Couldn't argue my purely logical argument you told me to stop responding to your responses to my topic... What?

I was talking generally, and I may have generalised the replies a bit too much, sorry.
'Permission, approval, or agreement' the definition of the noun. Idk where you brought 'to give' from. To give doesn't have much to do with consent. Someone made here a full reply about how it isn't reality, and it isn't realistic. Some would even argue that this manga portrays rape in a comedic light (I would kinda disagree on that though, just a random thought). In other words, imo it's rape, pretty tired of this thread, you're the one who's wrong about the definition of consent, thank you and bye~

I didn't quote the verb 'to give'. Wtf does 'to give' even have to do with consent? Please, most of you need to properly read comments or give proper arguments.

Wait wtf it's only one person nvm

This is probably one of the best threads I've come across on Mangago.

I said "to give" because it is the distinction between the verb "consent" and the noun... It's hard to argue with you when you aren't keeping up...

I brought "to give" up because it is the only text under the definition of consent where speaking aloud MIGHT be implied, i was trying to give you the benefit of the doubt, but not even that acts as any sort of backing for what you're saying... "permission, approval, or aggreement" don't imply speaking aloud in literally any way. 1. I can permit you to do whatever without speaking to you by not stopping you. Example: i could stop someone from entering my house by closing the door, but if i open the door for you you are permitted to enter. 2. I can approve of your actions without saying anything to you. Example: You see satisfying stories on the news all the time like children being saved or rapists being stopped. You approve of the hero's actions, but you don't speak so to them because they aren't near you. I can agree with you without ever having met you. Example: We all agree physics work the way they do, right? I do at least and I'VE never met any of the founders of these scientific facts.
Argue any of these points you'd like, but all you've done so far is tell me how you FEEL so far without any reasons why or any backing.

I love wrecking narrow minded people with logic and facts, it's funny seeing how they try to back out and jab at the same time. (≧∀≦)

Narrow minded? You mean yourself? You're comparing giving an apple to giving consent for a sexual act. That's not exactly the best comparison :/

Lmao enjoy it I guess?

You're comparing giving apples and sexual consent? It's hard to keep up when you're not exactly logical...

That could go both ways. In the end it's just what each of us sees. I disagree with most of your examples, actually.
1. If you just open the door and stare at the person, will he think he's permitted to go in? No, obviously. If it's a person you know (friend/family) you'll probably say something like 'welcome', which can be translated to 'I permit you to enter my house', or at least it says he/she's welcome to enter. Idk what about you but I don't know a person that just opens the door for someone and then walks away. You can't understand from that nothing. You didn't get any permission.

2. You didn't really connect the example and statement well. When I read 'approve of your actions without saying anything to you', I'd think you'd give an example between two people that maybe know each other, to relate to this specific case. But instead, talking about two people that don't know each other seems kinda weird, no?

3. This is once again unrelated, and not true. Nope, some people still question physics. Generalisation is not a great tool (same for the statement before). And, these last two examples are situational. This specific case has nothing to do with those examples.

This whole argument is basically what we feel about rape in yaoi, so idk what you want from me. I need to back up my feelings? Does that sound logical to you?

Read the entire conversation and comment on that rather than cherry picking. I was making the point that you can "give" something wordlessly, obviously the two aren't on par...

1. No, you don't have to speak to permit someone through your door. Whether they choose to take you up on the offer due to confusion on their part (what's confusing about you holding a door open for someone anyways? You're clearly reaching) has no standing on the fact that i just gave them permission to enter. I looked at them and decided they can enter so held open the door for them... If they don't understand it doesn't change the fact that they have my permission to enter. That's why you can't claim breaking and entering if you let someone in... As i said, you're reaching.

2. The whole POINT in this example was to have the people not connected in any way. Keep up... I was making the point that not only do you not have to speak to someone to approve of their actions, you don't have to know them. You aren't even trying to understand what i'm saying, you just want to argue.

3. Lol, what?! You CANT QUESTION PHYSICS, THEY'RE BACKED BY FACTS AND MATH. Facts dont care about your feelings. Pay REALLY CLOSE attention to what i'm about to say, because i don't want you cherry picking again: You CAN re-interpret physics if you have actual data and evidence, but you cannot argue physics just because you feel like it.

"this argument is basically what we feel about rape in yaoi... I need to back up my feelings? Does that sound logical to you?"--- You've been maintaining your end of the argument as an argument through feelings, but it's just you, i've backed literally everything i've said and you've just responded with "no, thats not true" each and every time. This topic wasn't an argument about how you FEEL on the matter, I posted the topic because i saw quite a few people like you misinterpreting the scene and i decided to correct that with actual in-manga evidence and facts. The only one whos been saying how they FEEL is you. And yes, backing up your opinion on something is logical and just reality... How do you think all these facts were created? People formed opinions and found evidence to back then... Welcome to earth, now you can ascend back to the mothership with the data you gathered on how things work here on our planet.

K.O. (⌒▽⌒)

1. In the end the first point is 100% opinion so idk what else to tell you. I think it's not logical to even do that, you think it is. If you really call you representing your opinion as 'backing up what you say', I call bs.

2. But what does that have to do with consent in sex?? That's what we started off with and you're taking this to totally different places and claiming 'K.O' when I'm asleep.

3. Here's a small fact to you : humanity is developing. Recently scientists have learned some new 'rules' about the universe, and it does have a bit to do with physics (I can link it if you want, but it's in Hebrew). You misunderstood my whole point. What I was trying to say is that THERE'S NOTHING EVERY SINGLE PERSON ON THIS PLANET CAN AGREE ON. It doesn't matter how backed up you are with scientific evidence, there'll always be people that will disagree with you.

Here's a fact for you : all of your statements that 'backed up' your stance are opinions. In other words, your feelings. 'In manga evidence'? You haven't mentioned the actual manga at all. All of your 'facts' are your own personal opinions. Please get your 'facts' straight because it's starting to get annoying. Don't claim your opinion as 'fact'.
Welcome to fucking earth, where opinions aren't facts.

The facts i were refering to were: 1. The uke physically AND emotionally enjoyed the sex. This is evidenced in manga. I've went over the evidence with you multiple times, but i guess you're just thick? And 2. The definition of consent doesn't imply speaking aloud in any way.

The examples i gave were to back the 2nd fact, they weren't opinions, they were everyday things we all put into practice that you seem to like acting that you're unaware of (example 1 isn't an opinion, it's fact. If i opened the door for you you are, in fact, permitted to enter. Once again, this is why you can't claim breaking and entering if you let someone in... The same way you can't take back consent after sex and claim rape. If i open the door for you you are, factually, permitted to enter.) I literally gave you an example of how you can give "permission, approval or agreement" without speaking, i gave an example for each. The point of the examples was to prove that you can give consent without speaking. There is evidence within the manga that the uke consented to the sex, you said "he didn't speak consent so it's rape" so i decided to debunk you by bringing up the definition of consent. You gave a link to the definition of consent in an attempt to prove there was no consent, you misinterpreted the definition because it said "to give permission, approval or agreement" and you assumed that meant it had to be spoken and tried to use "to give permission approval or agreement" as a means of proving that you have to speak to consent, so i gave examples of how you can permit, approve and agree wordlessly.

Sorry for the recap, it's just that you don't seem to be keeping up with what i'm saying, you even just said i was stating my opinions...

Also, about the new discoveries in the laws of nature you were referencing, i believe i already said that physics can be re-interpreted with data and evidence. What i said was that you can't just doubt science just because with no backing as science has math and repeated results backing it.

T.K.O. (￣∇￣")

To point 1 : ENJOYING SEX =/ CONSENT. I'VE SAID THIS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, ARE YOU SURE IM THE ONE WHO'S THICK? Also, if him saying 'no' over and over again is in your opinion cconsntual sex, then idk what to tell you (I know it's Japan and all that bs, but in the end this is rape fetish).
To point 2 : During sex it NORMALLY does. Idk what kind of sex ed you got if you think someone telling you 'no' over and over during sex is consentual sex.

They weren't..... (example one IS opinion. You think people should get they're permitted to enter if someone opens the door to them, I don't. You sure do need to realize the difference between fact and opinion....) NOT IN SEX. Goddamnit it's hard to properly argue with you.... You keep going off topic. The initial statement was about sex, and still is. Consent before sex was the general subject, so I thought you could do simple math and connect the two subjects, but I guess not.

BECAUSE THEY ARE OPINIONS. Some people.....