Deadass, they get mad at the tamest shit lmao
That IS rape (there was no consent, it doesn't matter if it felt good or not for the victim), but like the commenter above me said this is pretty softcore for most yaoi readers, so I don't really get why get pissed at it ┗( T﹏T )┛
Rape? Or mild shock? To be raped you have to not want what's happening.
You know, I always wonder if people understand what yaoi means. (I mean, leaving aside the ignorant kind that goes "I love this yaoi ლ(´ڡ`ლ)" when they see two guys hugging) Do they not know that non-consent, attacking seme and super reluctant uke is actually one of the main things in yaoi? I'm getting tired of all the rape thing, and I'm super against that IRL.
I know! It's like people don't realize that sex is spontaneous! There is a difference between wanted, spontaneous sex and rape.
The meaning of consent is spelling it out, saying 'yes, I do want to have sex' to a certain person (that happens to want to have sex with you). I understand that yaoi is based on it, and I happen to like it, but still do not look away from what it really is.
Okay, and i'm sure if the seme had asked the uke would've said he wanted it, since he was saying he liked it in his head, but LITERALLY NO ONE asks "hey, do you consent to the sex we're about to have"? Also, consent doesn't have to be spoken out loud, consent is an emotion, not a sentence. It doesn't even say that you have to say it out loud in the definition of consent.
You're thinking of the verb consent, to GIVE permission, consent doesn't HAVE to be spoken out loud though.
He put up no fight to stop it. xD And if you think saying "no" is the reason it's so bad, you haven't seen porn, especially not stuff out of Japan. They don't moan, all they say is "no".
He said 'no' countless times. I know it's Japan, and that's their fetishes, but a 'no' is still a 'no'. Please refer to what I've said before (aka 'it doesn't matter if he's enjoying it, it's still rape if there's no consent'). Depends on the situation. If someone came onto you, and you said no, would you expect them to stop or to continue? I know this is one of Japans' fetishes but it doesn't mean it isn't rape.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/consent
If 'agree, approve and permit' aren't 'say it out loud', I don't know what is.
Consent is NOT an emotion. It's the simple statement of 'yes, I agree'.
I'll state it once again, but I like this type of yaoi. Just please, don't look away from the fact that it is rape (and yaois like this one are rape fetish).
Yes, it is rape. I'm pretty sure people
understand what rape is and how wrong it is.
Please understand that what people are probably
trying to say is that, this is a fictional manga.
It is not real. There is no need for comments to flood with
constant rape is wrong comments. It's redundant.
Rape is a fetish whether we like it or not.
Reread the replies that answered to me. They think it is not rape, an opinion I disagree on. They didn't say that, at all. The only replies are got were 'it's not rape because he enjoyed it' and other variations of that. Please read the comments once again. I've been saying over and over again 'I like it, but please understand that it is rape'. Please read the comments again. I know that, and I've pointed it out. Please, please, please I'm begging of you to properly read comments.
Look, there's no point in trying to convince people this isn't rape. It is based on the interpretation of the reader. Like I said, it is fictional and they probably don't mean harm when saying it isn't rape. I'm dissapointed you assumed I didn't read the comments properly based on my reply, which is just an opinion.
Actually verbally and what is written in a dictionary or what we apply in a real life yes it is rape amd people above know that very well.so technically they know it is rape .but when you have seen enough yaoi manga amd know the rape trope too well where uke itself does not make it sound like it is rape,people dont conisder this as rape but only in yaoiii .
NOW to those who are gonna say rape is still rape no matter what .yaoi love rape trope os so difrrent people who read it knew .uke itself doesnt made it seem like rape is rape no rape victim tell the abuser ah it feels so good ,and i told you no but huh you did it anyway you cute rascal huh huh .that does not happen .
My whole point is people above know it is rape technically but the way it is potrayed it just a fetish or we can say uke is heart and mouth are saying diffrent thing .after all the years i have been reading yaoi i have learned as NEVER APPLY REALITIC THINGS IN THE WORLD OF YAOI UNLESS IT IS POTRAYED IN A REALISTIC WAY .
Rape has a meaning, and it's sad people don't know the meaning properly. So, I feel like some people just need to relearn it. In the end it's for me to decide if I want to persuade them or not. Everything you said in your comment, every point you made in your comment, I've talked about everyone of them. Pointing them out again after the countless times I have seems unnecessary, and probably wouldn't have happened if you would've read the comments properly. That's why I assumed you didn't read them, but I'm sorry if I was wrong.
Once again, you're looking at the verb, the ACTION of consent. Look at your own link. Consent is an emotion and nowhere does it say it has to be spoken aloud.
Funny how the one reply that was (in terms of grammar) written the worst, makes the most sense. The last sentence is something I agree with, but I still don't think people should just deny the occurrence of rape, even if it's for the sake of fetishes, and isn't realistic.
But, thank you for your insight on this matter~ Your comment was much more helpful than any other <3
It also doesn't say it shouldn't be spoken out loud. Do you see how flawed that logic is? Anyway, I'm kinda tired of this thread, so if you really want to read anymore of my opinions on the matter continue reading~ If not continue with your life~ ?
Btw, consent is not an emotion.
You say that i'm saying "it's not rape because he enjoyed it", but what i said wasn't that simple and detracts from what i intended to get across. I realize that just physically enjoying the touches doesn't count as consent, that is just a biological reaction, what i was saying is that he was emotionally accepting of the sex as well as physically accepting. You replied with "there was no consent, it's rape" to which i replied by saying "how was there no consent? He had no issues with the sex during or after the act as evidenced by the uke's thoughts during the sex being "it's so good" and "how DO i feel about him?" and the fact that the two of them were talking comfortably like nothing happened literally SECONDS after the sex while not showing ANY trauma or fear." and then i decided to show you that even in the dictionary definition there is nothing saying you have to speak consent aloud. You keep quoting the verb, which is the ACTION "consent" not the noun. Hell, even in the verb it doesn't say "spoken" just "to give", which can be done silently. Sorry, but you're wrong on the consent issue.
If we're quoting the verb, "to give", i can give you an apple without talking to you.
I love all these "it's rape!" comments, at most it was rape play fan service for the readers. He said it feels good during the sex and was even thinking about his feelings for the seme, he didn't even show any signs whatsoever of being mad about what happened afterward... Where is the rape? They were talking normally like nothing even happened RIGHT after the sex...