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I am with you....the fucked cheater...

I hate the fact that they still end up together. What the hell?! I hate this. Arata should leave that cheater and left him in regret for the rest of his life. Go find a better man who won't betray you and will treasure your love and your sincerity dearly.

correct, they got back too quickly..should have left him to dwell on remorse

Have you read Ubawareru Koto Marugoto Zenbu? That one was worse and the cheating guy does not deserve to be the seme at all yet they still ended up together. Natsuki was a "better" cheater, imo, than that in Ubawareru.

I have to disagree with you on this. The uke in that series was straight since the beginning and it was the seme the one who forced him into having sex. I'm lesbian, I don't see guys as sexual partners, if a guy forced me into having sex with him I would hate him. But the uke loved him so that's why, in the end, he choose to be with him even though he likes girls. I'm not saying that his cheating I less wrong than Nachan's but the situation is totally different. They didn't have any problems. They both liked each other (they were both gay probably). And yet he cheated multiple times just because he needed a bit of excitement? Just what the fuck. If someone cheated on me I would like to know because I have the right to choose if I want to keep being in that kind of relationship. Nachan fucked the other guy, he felt guilty but kept doing it without intentions of even confessing. That's just being egoistical. If you're dissatisfied just break it off. Otherwise the rest of the world has the right to call you an asshole.

In Ubawareru, the straight guy still stuck around with his friend knowing that he was wanting an exclusive relationship with him. If he can't do it, he should've been adamant in rejecting him instead of feeding his friend's feelings with hope that he will stay with him and not do other girls. He purposely cheated with the convenience that his friend is obsessed with him and will stick around to make food for him.

There's nothing wrong with your assessment of Nacchan. He is everything what you say about him but in their situation, being the perfect couple ever since they learned about love (they started really young, middle school, they are each other's first love), they were never selfish in that relationship and this is probably the first time they had. The reason may sound stupid because you know how shit selfishness feels like, I presume. But these two don't. Breaking it off is a form of selflessness which these two have been practicing their whole life being together. They never experienced being selfish because they didn't have any other experience and didn't have any reason to. I don't understand Japanese so I don't know if Nacchan ever felt any emotional connection with the other guy (was his name Naoki? Not sure nevermind), if he never did then he was just simply a tool. It doesn't sound nice for "Naoki" but for Arata, it's reassuring (that feeling is not for everyone obviously but maybe for Arata it is). Reassuring in the sense that no matter who they try out they will always find each other the perfect and only partner for them. This sentence is hard to pull off, I hope I was able to make sense. Sorry, if it sounds stupid.

Since you said you don't understand Japanese I will presume you didn't read the raws. I can tell you with confidence that your opinion will change once you read to that point. If not I would like to tell you my reason. For me, the reason is that the seme in Ubawareru knew what he was getting into when he started that relationship. the Uke in Ubawareru is always distracted by girls and when he cheated their relationship wasn't exactly put into words. It was just started forcefully from seme. Yeah the Uke is a Dick but it is just not the same. What Natsuki did was just the utter violation of the pure and unclouded trust that Arata had in him. The thing is he STILL claimed to love Arata WHILE doing it with the other guy and again he was found out by Arata WHILE in the act. That betrayal would break my heart if I was Arata.

In ubawareru just like everybody have already said seme forced uke in to the relationship amd seme already knew how obsseses he was with boobs , and he cheated once where in this case nachan cheated multiple times mind you he was in a commited relationship where he loved arata cheated multiple times and even after getting caught asked the black guy to have sex for one last time like it was some joke.to me ubawareru is nothing compared to nachan not even nacahn cheated multiple times but dare to mock the sadness of arata by asking black hair dude foe sex again .and cheating is not something to be selfish about .trust me it is not needed in amy relationship .i do agree love won but the hole that is done by cheating will remain forever .evertime arata will have a sharp pain when he will remember that the person he loved the most was sucking someone other's dick .it is the worst feeling ever.to remember each time the past what has been done to you.one time cheating can be in a heat of moment but multiple time was because you wanted to.and no where it os reassuring pennyinheaven notbody likes their partner having sex even if they are using the other one for just a tool unless sex is something to be toyed for them.to couple.sex is somthing they do out of love. To feel the intimacy that this person is only mine and he will only be mine his body and soul but nachan took that away from him. no matter what you were in school you never get to have any partner ,he dont have any right to play with someone who is loyal and love him.destroying someone's loyalty is the worst thing you can do and he did that.

I don't know how I will tag both comments to this one.

Okay let me introduce the concept of love and sex as two different entities/entities. They are not all the time exclusive with each other. I don't know if you guys know or believe in this but it happens. The person you are having sex with does not always have to be the person you love.

SO the part where Nacchan was still claiming he loves Arata even after being caught in the act could be true. I know it sounds bullshit because the idea is you have to have sex with the person you love but it's not always the case. The premise is that they never had anyone apart from each other since middle school. Thus they never felt the need to treasure what they have because the general idea is that their relationship is going to stay the way it has always been. BTW, I've read the raws months ago and I know the general story.

Mocking Arata's sadness by sleeping with the guy after getting caught: WHY WOULD YOU ASSUME HE WAS MOCKING IT? Sorry but I am just putting myself on Nacchan's head and I don't think it works that way. It was like saying goodbye to a vice one last time. He enjoyed the ride or the experience but finally saying goodbye to it for good. AND how would you know ANON that it will stay forever on Arata. You don't know that. Arata beating up Nacchan was a cathartic experience. Nacchan accepted that anger and his mistakes. The only way for Arata to forever doubt Nacchan if he does it the second time but Nacchan finding out that his feelings for Arata will never change, I doubt he would do that again, thus Arata may never have that doubt. It's a long process. It will take time before Arata can get over what happened but it's not forever. Why? Because they've been together since middle school, yeah going back to the premise.

Selfishness and selflessness goes backwards in this story. They discovered selfishness while being selfless throughout those years.

In Ubawareru and in here, both have cheated that's the bottomline. Both have betrayed the trust that were given to them, regardless how innocent or cunning the person they cheated on.

No it does not soud bullshit but selfish and pathetic and you are an asshole for it.because you wamt everything sex and love without considering ypu are hurting the other one.thats shit.i have read raws PENNYINHEAVEN and he said lets do it for the last time after beikg caught thats how he mock arata sadness.and of what you are saying that he wamted to have sex for a one last time does it make it good pemny in heaven ? I am not in to understanding in to right or wrong here even the rapist rape there might be a reason even the murderer mirder he is an asshole for that and deserve punishment .it was wrong what nachan did and WRONG AND CRUEL.same goes to arata .but nachan was the one who started it.and i know that for the fact PENNYINHEAVEN because if you have cheated someone even after everything is alright ,when you are sitting alone and will remember that how you have been cheated you will feel sad about it.trust is the major issue when it comes to cheating .cheating make a greter impact in relationship.than you might think.
WHAT NACHAN DI IN RELATIONSIP WAS DISGUSTING DISRESPECTFUL CRUEL .PERIOD.

That's you and you can't move on. Not everyone is like you. Two things: either the person who cheated on you never made you feel re-assured that he has repented for his deed and won't do it again OR you never gave a chance to that person to prove himself. It's a two way relationship. It's a partnership. It's an effort on both parties. If you can't move on and is still broken no matter what the other person has done to atone and re-assure, then that's your fault already. It's not who did it first anymore.

In their case, Arata beat him up BADLY. THAT WAS HIS PUNISHMENT. Regardless who started to hurt whom first, BOTH have already inflicted pain on each other, emotionally and mentally. I am quoting @manganiME here "It wasn't one hit. It wasn't a slap. He had whole body damage, he had bleeding." That punishment is grave enough for Arata to let go of any ill feelings after, if he still does after what he did to Nacchan, and Nacchan never did it again, who's more cruel now? Who's committing a sin by cultivating that anger around?

I have read the raws! Didn't I say that?! And it's not mockery. It's a ritual. A ritual people go through when letting go of things. Letting go of things they enjoyed. It's a process one has to go through to wrap their head in the situation. It's NOT for the purpose of feeling good but a sense of closure, even if he didn't feel love for that guy. I don't know if you are aware about the concept of closure but it exists and definitely helps people to move on from one situation or condition to another. He had sex with him because that is the only thing he had with the guy, a physical relationship and that is what he was ending. It seems you have a great attachment to sex but like I said, sex can be separated from love. Research about it if you want: romance and sex.

AND NO ONE'S TAKING THAT TITLE FROM NACCHAN. HE IS INDEED AN ASSHOLE. NO ONE'S DENYING IT. But it won't hurt to understand why he did it and why he was pardoned.

Let me ask you a question. If Arata after being cheated on decided to stablish an open relationship where he could also fuck whoever he wanted, what would Nachan's reaction be? I agree, there's selfishness in love, but it goes both ways. If you wanna be selfish your partner can do the same. But here, I don't think Nachan ever had that thought in mind. If he wanted excitement he could have asked for it. Yes sure maybe Arata would have been angry but he wouldn't have beaten him because the trust wasn't broken. The point is, he broke the balance, he was selfish and stupid and there wasn't any reason for it. And not once, multiple times, and even if he cried he kept on asking for it. He destroyed what they have hurting himself and his partner in the process. How is that acceptable? Even if sex and love are two separate entities (I agree on that) when you have a relationship the only rightful way to explore sexuality outside of that relationship should be if the other person agrees. That's commitment. That's trust. That could give you the excitement you need without hurting anyone. Nachan never did that. He stabbed Arata on the back because he wanted to fuck other guy (okay, I get it, we all have desires) but the thought of telling the truth never crossed his mind because he knew Arata wouldn't like it (when he gets caught we can see the panic in his face). How's that ok? Is he the only one entitled to be selfish? If I want to have sex with others but my partner don't like it either I don't do it or I break up. Being honest in a relationship is what keeps it going, because with honesty you are entitled to be selfish.

My point exactly! Natsuki never even had the courage to talk about his interest in other men. Arata was under the impression that they were in a monogamous relationship. If one person in the relationship thinks that they got into it too early and they want to be with other people, their partner is entitled to know that. Even if the 1st cheating was because he got carried away, what about the times after that? He never owned up to his mistake after the 1st time or the many times after it. It was only after he was caught red handed.

You cant see that nachan is in a wrong even why he did that he is still in the wrong .i wont talk any further because i think you seems to edcuse nachan behaviour necaise he did it because he want to enjoy himself .so our talk wont be going anywhere when you are in relationship.you dont cheat there is no reason to cheat its WRONG no matter what the circumstances are even if we get bored or whatever .thats the only simple thingbi will say now have a nice day and bie

Wow and you never understood that I recognized Nacchan was wrong. Okay bye. I don't need people who are stuck in one idea and do not try to break down the situation.

Sorry but i know the situation but i dont feel any sympathy for nachan nor do i try to dustify no matter wht is the reason

Why does it seem as if I am not recognizing Nacchan was in the wrong? I do. I really do. He was selfish and continued until he got caught. He was not mature enough to stop himself and had waited to be caught to stop. He was too confident in his relationship with Arata and taken it for granted. But why? Because they have been together for so long without any bumps along the way. Nacchan thinks this way because he never had to feel threatened about their relationship. He forever felt secured, which was wrong for him to do. He learned it the hard way.

Commitment and trust, yes. That is what a relationship is about. But you build that through time and experiences to make it stronger. That is what people learn from their past relationships. Honing it and perfecting it until the right person comes and practice what they have learned the best way they can. These two didn't have that. And apparently, time for this couple isn't enough. They still lacked experiences. Nacchan could have done something else, he could've been honest but we learned he is still immature. Not being honest and being complacent about their relationship got him to hurt not just himself but Arata, too. Exactly why he ran off and went back to Arata, and even when he was beaten up to a pulp he stayed because he finally understood what he has done, what his mistakes were and how much pain he has caused to the person he loved. He learned to appreciate their relationship more.

The story is about love and forgiveness and the many layers underneath them. And yet we keep on going back to cheating. I believe Sensei wrote the story not with the intention of promoting cheating or make it the point of the story. It's how one got back from being lost and finding open arms to accept him back. Arata didn't need to accept him back nor did Arata needed to re-assure Natsuki from his guilt in the last chapter but he did because that was the point of the story, forgiveness.

Sensei didn't write this to make cheating better but to highlight forgiveness and repentance. So....I feel sorry because sensei's story will never reach a person like you. You have closed your eyes to the point or purpose of the story.

I agree with you on everything, your comments were my favorite... You deserve a follow. I like your way of thinking

Thank you. It's just that nothing good will happen if we stay on "what he could've done". He cheated and it's done. If it happened in irl, we can't change the past, we can't go back in time. So what's more important is what happens after. Most of them think I am simply justifying cheating but I am not, cheating is wrong, it won't change but there's context behind it for every individual and it's simply breaking down what happened but by no means I am saying it's okay to cheat.