Can someone tell what he meant by 'following his canine instincts'? Because what does it ...

PXR October 21, 2017 6:52 pm

Can someone tell what he meant by 'following his canine instincts'?
Because what does it have to do with being in love?

Responses
    Tiger Rao October 21, 2017 7:01 pm

    Dogs, or wolves, obey an alpha. Ein proved himself as the more dominant one by killing Diesel's partner. So Diesel is drawn to him as a subordinate and potential mate. It's like that all the time with pack animals, wolves or lions. A more aggressive male comes along, kills someone's mate and becomes their mate themselves. There may be resistance in the beginning, but that usually fades. Diesel might be referring to "loving Ein more every day" as a trick of his instincts just settling for Ein.

    PXR October 21, 2017 7:38 pm
    Dogs, or wolves, obey an alpha. Ein proved himself as the more dominant one by killing Diesel's partner. So Diesel is drawn to him as a subordinate and potential mate. It's like that all the time with pack anim... Tiger Rao

    Ohhhhhhh thanks for explaining!

    blu21 October 21, 2017 8:09 pm
    Dogs, or wolves, obey an alpha. Ein proved himself as the more dominant one by killing Diesel's partner. So Diesel is drawn to him as a subordinate and potential mate. It's like that all the time with pack anim... Tiger Rao

    actually typical pack dynamics in wolves are the same as family dynamics in people. there is no 'alpha' and 'beta', the 2 parents are the leaders of the pack and the puppies stay and follow them until they're old enough, and some leave to start their own pack. sometimes there are other relatives, rarely are there strangers. and dogs aren't pack animals either, they tend to forage individually. there's some resource dominance between dogs but they don't follow each-other, it's just a matter of who cares about what resource the most and which one is willing to just let the other get what they want. but that is a very good theory on what the author was thinking/intending when they made this, even if it's based on outdated wolf knowledge

    Tiger Rao October 21, 2017 8:29 pm
    actually typical pack dynamics in wolves are the same as family dynamics in people. there is no 'alpha' and 'beta', the 2 parents are the leaders of the pack and the puppies stay and follow them until they're o... blu21

    Could you cite your sources? (I'm not being negative in the least, I actually do want to see if my data is outdated. I wrote a few papers on wolf and dog behavior my freshman year of college so I thought I had a handle on the subject.)

    Anonymous October 22, 2017 1:03 am
    actually typical pack dynamics in wolves are the same as family dynamics in people. there is no 'alpha' and 'beta', the 2 parents are the leaders of the pack and the puppies stay and follow them until they're o... blu21

    Since alpha beta wolf theory was created based off dynamics in unrelated wolves forced together in captivity, it still kind of makes sense. Bexan and Diesel might not be in captivity, but they don't know their own kind and are restrained by human society, so they might look for a human alpha, or try to make themselves alpha, because they don't have that normal wolf family unit.

    Yeah, I think I just thought too much about this and maybe created some creepy implications...

    blu21 October 22, 2017 2:48 am
    Could you cite your sources? (I'm not being negative in the least, I actually do want to see if my data is outdated. I wrote a few papers on wolf and dog behavior my freshman year of college so I thought I had ... Tiger Rao

    https(:)//skeptics.stackexchange(.)com/questions/32124/is-the-alpha-wolf-theory-debunked

    here you go, there's citations here. the same guy who popularized the idea (in like the 1940s or something), retracted it later upon more accurate and relevant studies. if you like wolves (like me) you should check out wolveswolves on tumblr, she posts scientific studies and has a lot of info on wolves (and cute pics)

    blu21 October 22, 2017 2:59 am
    Could you cite your sources? (I'm not being negative in the least, I actually do want to see if my data is outdated. I wrote a few papers on wolf and dog behavior my freshman year of college so I thought I had ... Tiger Rao

    also just realized how annoying an pretentious my reply was (uhhh actually... *pushes up glasses*) lol sorry about that, i have just spent way too much time looking up wolves and dogs, and most people still believe the whole alpha thing. and then apply it to their dogs by 'being the alpha' (cesar millan) when really dogs don't learn anything from that and just become fearful :(

    Tiger Rao October 22, 2017 4:32 am
    also just realized how annoying an pretentious my reply was (uhhh actually... *pushes up glasses*) lol sorry about that, i have just spent way too much time looking up wolves and dogs, and most people still bel... blu21

    Haha, you're fine. I appreciate the response. One of my best papers was about how famous dogs like Hachiko were anthropomorphized, in a symbolic sense, to use as political propaganda. So I had to do a lot of research, read too many dissertations anyway, about a canine's spectrum of emotions and what is strictly instinctual social behavior. I also was a neighborhood dog trainer back in high school. The alpha thing might be misinformation, but I always relied on it as a training method. Whenever a dog was aggressive out of turn, I'd grab their head and hold it firmly against the ground until the dog submitted. Nothing cruel, I'd show them a lot of affection outside training, none of them ever feared me. At the same time, none of them ever disobeyed me either. So hearing the alpha thing is wrong baffles me a bit, but it's interesting to hear another perspective. Maybe I'll write another paper. Anyway, thanks :)