Thiiissss is loooking goood!!!

I wonder if people who believe yaoi doesn't fetishize gay men would say the same about lesbian porn. Porn does not make people more accepting of lgbt.

I'm actually very familiar. I'm a gay man and I am a bottom, but that doesn't make me the least bit feminine

Rape is a fetish if you like it. It's that simple. I understand that there are people who fit into uke seme stereotypes, but it pisses me off. People do assume how you are if they find out your sexual role, and that makes me mad because I get treated like I'm not masculine or that I'm less of a man. I also get some people want to read the sex scenes, but that doesn't change my point. The sex scenes are still pornography, loving or not, and there are lots of people reading these stories who enjoy knowing the backstory of the relationship, but are still only reading it for porn.

Exactly.

that's true i'am a girl but have a lot of gay friends and they don't like it too if you compare them whit the girl (as a girl role) :)

that's true too but a lot of people who says i don't read it or something they still do :) (i think)

i can understand what you are saying :) but you have also people who aren't so let it be en enjoy the things you like don't let it bother you :) and i dind't mean also to attack or something whit my comment is just understand both siedes but yes indeed in real life everything is hurting :)

also i can understand what you are saying i told one day to one of my friends who are also gay's and they indeed dind't like it how it's portrayed :) they even said to me what are you reading? i was like yeah that .... and he told me it isn't what you think it is cause believe that thing is not like who we really are but people still think like that? i said i don't now i know it's not real but he told me too but people think it is :)

I meant it's not fetishizing groups of people since rape is found everywhere and is in every genre plus it's not specific to Yaoi, many yaoi mangas don't contain any rape. The rape fantasy is very popular and does not come from wanting others to be raped, it comes from their own sexual fantasies of putting themselves in that fantasy of being taken. Sex scenes don't make it a porn and sex scenes don't make something a fetish. Fetish is when someone is obsessed with an item, object, part of body, etc. If you get treated like you are not masculine then that comes from western society as well, many gay men are told be always be masculine and not show any feminine trait because feminine is bad.

nooo and thanks to two's two dimb shit's it's gonna be a looooooooong way to go :) but i was happy that they at least are a couple now :)

I am also gay and a bottom, I am also feminine. Many of us exist as well. Plus in Yaoi, the uke can be masculine too.

Good to know you think that. I sincerely apologize.

Next time I going with my gut instinct and staying out of these arguments.

Porn does not make something a fetish. Porn displays REAL PEOPLE. Straight women also watch lesbian porn and has nothing to do with fetish! Many women learn what they like and what their bodies can do with porn. Watching something or reading something does not fetishize it.

That sounded sarcastic. I really do apologize for adding fuel to the fire.

@Aviina I also know many gay men who read and enjoy yaoi. I think we should all understand that yaoi is originally meant for Japanese audiences and from my experience, many find it amusing lol. The characters in yaoi don't even look human lol but I love the artwork that goes into it, many of them are beautifully drawn and have nice stories with some intimate scenes here and there.

I feel the need to mention that I comment on anything I see in the newsfeed that interests me. Hence my seeing something I agreed with prompted me to comment here. But you are 100% correct, Anonymous. Every single anonymous here that agrees with me is actually me signed out of my account. I'm just here for the story was the result of me not wanting to associate myself with BL, which explains why I commented on this, associating myself with BL, and currently have a BL on my reading list. I'm Michael, too. I thought to myself, "One day I might need to back myself up on an argument. I should make another account, just in case." You've totally seen right through me, Anonymous.

i m a gay guy too - and top - seme - active - gosh call it what you want xD i m saying that because it seems like as soon i add that i m a gay guy my point of view must be accepted?

anyway i read the whooooole discussion and i think both sides are kinda right but i also think that people who only think how harmful or even bad yaois are - didn t read enough yaois - yeah sounds weird - but there are all kind of yaois out there - from cute innocent - to brutally sick ones - and yes of course it s not (really) portraing REAL people - damn that is so so so clear - that s not how real gay relationships work (or should work) - but it s the same with every roman - with every movie - with everything in the entertainment industry - it s not real and we have to keep that in mind - i mean - only because i watched a spiderman movie and read the comics i m not gonna jump out the window - or let me bite by a toxic spider - there actually are some people who did that - but you can t blame the spiderman movie for that - can you? if people are too young - yes sometimes even too stupid - and don't not understand the difference between movies/mangas/comics/entertainment and real life- then it s not right to say the comics etc are bad or the problem- people are - but then it s time to talk with people and educate and explain.

i - don t find yaois harmful - and only because i said it before - i like rape in yaoi but i wouldn t rape a person in real (HELLLOO???) and i don t think rape yaois made me more open minded in this way (hell no) - it s a fantasy and nothing else - people need to understand the difference between fantasy and real life - and yes holy i don t think porn is real either xD - well it never happend to me that the pizzaguy came in and we had wild monkey sex yet xD - would be nice tho if he s atractive..hm...oh sorry my thoughts slipped in a whole different direcction now *¨cough*

back to the topic

it s an extremly interesting topic yup - but only because some of a certain community feel butthurt doesn t mean everyone in this community find it bad - so stop saying " i know some people from xxx or i know some people who are gay and they find it ...goood...bad...disturbing...whatever" because i personally know people who love and adore yaois and i know people who hate and think it s the worst (from the same communities)

i also know people who love porn - and treat their partner nice and lovely - and i know people who don t watch porn and still have crazy fantasies - where even i would run away xD

anyway
i think mangas etc aren't the problem - people are - and i think the moment somebody takes yaois as real - there is a big issue going on - i mean hey ok if its a 13 year old brat who doesn t understand - i can understand why that would happen (but then again 13 years old brat shouldn t read yaois yet ne?) but if an addult reads a yaoi or watches porn and says "ah that s how gay/lesbian/hetero relationship works" yeah...then my friend i think you re completely nuts and not the mangas- comics - porn are the problem but something inside your head.

i wrote a whole big text and i m not sure if it s been sent or not xD

well anyway to the "uke" "seme" roles - i don t know did you guys read minori no te? or did you yondaime ooyamato tatsuyuki? tatsu is more manly than nozomi xD nozomi is all fluffly and cute (like the cutest seme you ll ever see in a yaoi xD)

i think there are many different yaois out there - and yes i don t think they re harmfull - what is harmful is that people can really be stupid enough to think that yaois are real - that porn is real - but the problem there are not the yaois nor the porn - but the people

like i said in the long comment which i m not sure if it s been sent or not - when people watch spiderman and they go and get bite on purpose by a toxic spider - then sorry - spiderman is not the problem - but stupid people are...

i understand if it s 13 year old brats - not if it s an adult who should understand the difference between wrong and right and real and fantasies

It's okay to read yaoi/bl...we are all here reading bl and discussing this on a bl page. Let's just all take a breather and enjoy it by keeping an open mind and separating it from the real world and understanding that it doesn't define everyone. It's okay to love a masculine seme, masculine uke, feminine uke, support manga artists, etc as long as we respect people and understand that mangas don't define everyone. Peace.