Thiiissss is loooking goood!!!

I laughed because your comment was extremely insulting, I'm not "denying you" your porn. I'm saying it fetishizes gay men. I'm saying I think that is bad. Read what you want. Idgaf, but just don't push it onto others which was what I think that first commenter meant when they said they didn't need like yaoi.

There are people whose lives are being put at risk because the government is refusing to give them access to safe abortions. There are people fighting and dying to keep their ancestral homeland. There are people abusive relationships and foo afraid to leave. There are people being sold as sex slaves. There are people being murdered for their sexual orientation, gender identity or race. Don't you DARE compare me thinking your yaoi is fucked up to these ACTUAL human rights issues.

I was just reading this thread am am not on anyone's side but I just felt the need to point out that's a stupid argument. Russia's societal culture is different. Does that mean I should accept it? "Don't get mad at Russia for arresting gay people, it's their culture!"

"The majority is never right until it has done right." - Henry Ibsen

With your argument that could mean your opinion that I'm narrow minded and incorrect is incorrect and that you are in fact narrow minded and incorrect. That's basically the argument you just made.
Drag helped convince me not to commit suicide. That doesn't mean I won't call out any of the queens who saved my life if they do something I find offensive.
"It helps me" does not equate to "it does not fetishize gay men." My argument here is not right or wrong. It is whether or not yaoi is a fetishization of gay men. If there was a man watching lesbian porn I would not hesitate to call him out on that, too. I "get it". I'm just not okay with it.
If you want to read yaoi, go ahead. I know I'm not going to stop you. That was my point with my initial comment. You're firm in your convictions and I'm firm in mine. You are convinced that I am wrong and I am convinced that you are wrong. No one is going to change anyone else's mind. That was the point I was making to "I'm just here for the story".

*puts keys and bag down* Just got home after a long day. Let's see what's going on at Mangago. *turns on computer* ...Holy shit, what have I done.

*puts keys and bag down* Just got home after a long day. Let's seeing what's going on at Mangago *turns computer on* ...What have I done?

WE'VE CREATED A MONSTER!!!

Dude. I only just joined Tumblr a couple weeks ago. I formed my opinions from my college education and reading reputable sources. Your rude comment can't change facts and doesn't further your cause. I also don't read Tumblr for scientific information. You don't know anything about me, or, apparently, this subject on an academic level. So you should be ashamed to open your mouth with disdain when you don't know a thing about homosexuality, the media, and social psychology.

I think what really irks me about this issue is not the fact that people read and enjoy yaoi, but that so many of them bury their heads in the sand and close their minds because they don't want their perfect little world to be questioned, and, in doing so, blatantly disregard the issues that real people face every day due to media biases. Read yaoi. Enjoy it. But don't pretend to be pro sexual freedom and equal rights if you can't even consider the way social constructs affect other people. It's not all about you. It's not all about me. Yaoi is part of a much bigger world, and prejudicial biases that arise from media are real and important. And if you deny they exist, that makes it worse. There is nothing wrong with reading yaoi, but there is a massive amount wrong with choosing to continue perpetuating the problem by being willfully ignorant.

I understand what they portray, I think the issue is that you may be unfamiliar. Seeing a partner as "female" is not common in Yaoi and it is actually more common in gay men from my experience. They always ask me if I am a bottom, I am, and I am also feminine so there are men like me.

Nope, I said your comment is narrow minded and ignorant. You have no argument for Yaoi fetishizing gay men, none. By the way, so you are the same person as the first commenter who said "I don't like Yaoi". It's fine that you don't like Yaoi but it's wrong to generalize Yaoi the way you did. It's also wrong to belittle fans, etc. okay?

No, I did not literally say it a million times. Look up the world "literally". If you are going to insult someone's grammar, then you should probably only use words in which you understand the meaning.

I tried to have a nice discussion with you. You just keep sinking to that level of petty, poorly chosen insults. I'm not impressed. I'm not going to get into an insults battle with you. You're trying to provoke me into losing my focus on the issue we were discussing. But I'm done discussing with you. There is absolutely nothing I, nor anyone else, can learn from you when you refuse to step up your game from taking stabs at people who have been honestly trying to have a decent discussion.

Yaoi has opened a lot of doors and made more people accepting of LGBTQ+. Yaoi is also diverse and has many positive plots and characters. The uke is not always feminine and seme is not always the super masculine one, again there is diversity. The Yaoi world has brought more people enlightenment and only ignorant people will deny this because they want their opinion to be right. Ses and her multiple usernames are mainly trolling here. She has not brought one study and only people who are uneducated try to say they are educated to try to convince others.

I'm just here for the story/Okarisu/some other usernames here (same person) is the real monster here lol. Don't make arguments please. Mangago is a safe person for many people, don't bring negatively and arguments.

For the record, I said I learned it in college because what you are assigned to read in college is all reputable sources. Most people get a college education nowadays, so it's hardly a badge of intellectual superiority. The books you read while you're there are very reliable, however.

And Donna, I'm done talking to you. I told you I'd send you some when I got home, but I came home to more name calling and insults, so I'm not wasting my time on you. Have a good life.

If anyone else wants a compilation of research materials on the subject, I can probably compile a good list by tomorrow.

There is nothing wrong with reading and loving yaoi, it has made many people accepting of love between people of the same gender:)

I agree with you.

You are assigning what you learned in college to other things that don't really have anything to do with the topic here, that's the issue.

No, you said the issue was that I was bragging about my education. You're just looking for a fight too, I see. Bye.

I am not looking for a fight but I guess you are, geez.

That's not fetish. Liking stories with rape, found in all genres, doesn't mean they fetishize a group of people. You just said you are a bottom and many Yaoi mangas portray bottoms and tops. I know many bottoms and tops in real life and there are bottoms who are feminine, etc. Loving sex scenes doesn't mean they are not there for the story, it means they want to see two people making love, characters they read about who they want to express their love in physical ways, nothing wrong with that.