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Many bed scenes are actually loving and Yaoi does not need to be based on real life gay men although many gay people have unchanging top and bottom sex position as well.

Whether or not LGBTQ people feel offended reading it has no bearing on the measurable effects it has on society, attitudes, and feelings about LGBTQ individuals. Also, people are more than capable of being prejudiced against their own group. It happens all the time.

I don't think you understand the difference between fantasies and mass-distributed media. They are not one and the same. Private fantasies are completely different than media and groups of people developing ways of thinking and feeling based on repetitive exposure to harmful ideas. Not all Yaoi is bad, but there are a lot of ideas in yaoi that have negative effects on the attitudes and feelings of people who read it in large amounts. Prejudice ia not logical. Repetition in media changes the way people feel about groups of people. It's a scientific fact.

I am guessing you are a child who has read way too many Tumblr posts. Seme and uke roles are not meant to represent gay men in general, I mean how hard is it to understand that? Also, the many mangas nowadays use uke/seme as bottom/top which gay men use. Lots of mangas don't attach personality traits to their favorite sex position but you wouldn't know that since you don't have a clue, you just read blogs and make up your mind. You should be ashamed of yourself for not getting it.

Right?

It seriously cracks me up how many raids here think unlimited access to free yaoi is a human right.

*kids

No, the kids think they should. The adults know better.

Damn, I wish I was still a kid, though. Good times. I haven't been a kid for over a decade.

I don't know why you're trying to pick a fight with me. But I'm not gonna bite. I agree with you that young kids shouldn't read yaoi. I disagree with you that adults are immune to prejudicial changes via repetitive exposure to biases in media. Let's leave it at that.

I didn't find it on some random place on the Internet. I recommend reading up on social psychology. From reputable sources only, of course. Peer-reviewed studies that are replicable and have been replicated. All that good stuff. There is more on the subject than you can imagine. The science is strong in this one.

Dude, I apologize. I thought it was funny that you thought that people sharing scientific facts about the harm of certain tropes in yaoi violated human rights. I still think it's funny, but I'm sorry I hurt your feelings. I think it's funny in this context because if what kids on here say when they font get what they want. I know you aren't one if the kids, do I'm not laughing at you. I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer, I don't want to start a name-calling match. Prejudice is not based on people's ability to tell the difference between things like that. For example, men can tell the difference between porn and reality, but there is a consistent positive correlation between how much porn men watch that subjugates women and their likelihood that they will commit acts of domestic and/or sexual violence. It's because prejudice bad snap judgments are not logical. Repetitive exposure to harmful ways of viewing people hurts our ability to, immediately and without effort, see people as they are with an open heart. I say heart and not mind for a reason. Prejudice is 100% emotions.

And you seem intelligent enough to know that the seme and uke roles are more than about who bottoms and who tops. That's not the problem.

Oh, and I'm sorry that my reply to your accusing me of robbing people of their human rights wasn't worded more gently. Jeez. Put the guns away already.

I personally don't think its a denial of your freedom, because noone here has attempted to censor you from reading yaoi or shonen ai and having private fantasies about what you've read. In fact, we're all on Mangago because we want to read mangas of that genre (and other genres too).

I think Ses has said it well about the problems that are associated with yaoi because it heteronormatises same-sex relationships (e.g., uke [feminine] and seme [masculine] role). And the fact that you've said that there is NO research on the fetishisation of same-sex relationships in fiction means you haven't even actually tried to research it. So, I've actually done it for: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/34276767_Writing_sexuality_heteronormativity_homophobia_and_the_homosocial_subject_in_modern_Japan
^Those are all academic articles on the subject of fetishizing homosexuality. J.K. Vincent even wrote a 200+ page on the subject of fetishisation of homosexuality where he talks about Japan's historical part of homosexual fetishising has led to present-day social consequences in how same-sex relos are presented in today's fiction.

Anyway, Donna, please do see this common thread as learning more about the LGBTQIA community instead of seeing it as a personal attack on your being!

Apologies for the gazillion typos! I have had coffee today but it has not helped me at all (+ was too lazy to re-check what I wrote).

Um...uke does not mean feminine role though.

Did you actually read it?

If you aren't finding anything, I can help you when I get home. There is a TON of stuff on it. I know because I read a lot of it in college.

Yeah I totally agree. Time and time again I come across yaoi that has rape in it which leads to the main character magically falling in love with the rapist. Like? No! That would never happen in real life. I personally have been victimized with sexual harassment in ways close to rape and even now I get nightmares and it affects my day to day life. There is NO way a person would become romantically involved with their rapist. It just doesn't happen and I know that from experience. You cannot argue about that fact unless you've been raped yourself, which most people reading this have not. I know women who read yaoi and yes, it does rub off on them and they create this idea in their head about what being gay is. Even if you're the most accepting person in the world, we all are affected by the media and what we see, I am no exception. If I ever decided to read yuri, I would start to think lesbians were all how they're portrayed in the manga, and I wouldn't even know I'm doing it because I'm not a lesbian so I don't personally know what they experience, so I would assume it's true. I also agree with how you see the whole " I like reading it, but I don't like it in real life" situation. Even porn portrays this. Porn is a sensitive topic, (I mean yaoi is porn though so people who read this manga should be chill with me talking about filmed sex) I understand that but it fits in to our conversation. Porn is all staged, it's called acting for a reason. Most things you see in porn wouldn't be executed in the same way as it would in a loving relationship. But, people who watch porn, even minors, may not understand this so their idea of sex and a relationship is morphed into some sexual fantasy. And it changes their outlook on things. Take BDSM for example, because of how it's desplayed in porn it's shamed upon. But the reality is that BDSM partners have more trust and love for each other than most people in other relationships combined. I truly believe that there are certain things in yaoi and in EVERY other manga that speak incorrectly about certain topics, and make us think their descriptions are true, when a whole lot of the time they're not. In this case that would be gay rights, and how gay relationships are.

I don't think you understood what they were trying to portray... I thought they were trying to say that some people stamp one of the men in the relationship as the "female" and there are personality traits that some expect from all gay men based off their sexual role (top or bottom)