Thiiissss is loooking goood!!!

The discussion was them saying they don't like yaoi. Others inquired and turned it into something more.

They never said that you were not worth the time to explain. They specifically said that they are bad at explaining things, which I totally get. I have strong opinions on things I can't explain well at all. So you basically got upset about something someone DIDN'T say.

And there's a difference between not liking a story and finding a story harmful. I'm not getting into a debate on why I find yaoi morally reprehensible because it's pointless. I'm just saying there's no need for snark when someone is trying to AVOID confrontation.

yeah well there are always people who go to far or don t understand - i agree and can understand that it can be a real pain sometimes - and darn i d love if they would break the traditional roles more often and start to make more different stories as well - like i said before - for me a lot of stories are repetive - and after reading a certain amount of yaois it s a little frustrating sometimes

but i also understand or have in mind that there are a lot of very young readers - and they might don t understand the problematic yet - i think discussions like that and explaining your point of view - will help to open their eyes

i don t agree that yaois per se are bad - because like i said before - they re not real and just a piece of art and fantasies

but i also agree that it would be nice to break the traditional roles and also pick up some real problems of our society - i think dark heaven did that - and i really like that yaoi for exact that reason (racismn - religions - homophobic problems etc etc)

and again - i joined the conversation after there was already a discussion - if you don t want to talk to me or discuss something with me - no problem but then don t answer like that - because yes - that is insulting as well btw i answered an anonymus and not to "i m just here for the story" but "i m just here for the story" answered in that rude way - that wasn t ok either

anyway - if you think it is harmful and you break off a discussion (and i m not talking about one person - there are more than one person answering here) than it should be even MORE important to answer and explain your point of view

and if you AVOID confrontation - AVOID it completely - don t throw in " i don t like yaois" but then don t explain anything or wonder why people react on that answer.

(but then again - i didn t talk to "i m just here for the story" in the first place - and just answered/reacted after he/she answered to my first comment"

I think she means I stopped the discussion at that point. I answered Donna and then the conversation was over so technically you restarted it. That's my guess. I don't think my my half-joking response to you was rude. If you want me to write an essay on why I think yaoi fetishizes gay people and why you're wrong in saying that yaoi isn't homophobic, presumably due to the oh-so-popular "it's gay so it can't be homophobic" response then fine. I'll write a really shifty essay that won't make any sense since I'm shit at explaining things. Literally my comment was just about how I would prefer things not be about sex and now everyone's at war because today in the twenty first century people are all about fucking and that's why we have over population and we're all gonna die and now I'm getting off topic okay I'm done with my comment now. :P

Literally I think no one is being rude here and we're all just overly sensitive about porn or something lol

AND again - i didn t answered you - i was talking to an ano - so if i start a conversation again or if i answer to somebody - so what? am i not allowed to do that anymore or what ? and why do you feel the whole time as if i am talking to you - when i m not.

i shared my point of view in a discussion that i found very interesting - i didn t even tag you - my answer wasn t for you - it was for that ano - so i still don t get why they keep on and on about "yeah but i m just here for the story just said he/she doesn t like yaoi and he/she can t explain why

i answered a person who explained why - and shared my point of view with that person - if you answer on my answer (for another person) so rude (not jokingly because it was rude) then yeah of course i m not gonna say "hey thank you for answering"

but if you want to join the conversation or the discussion then go ahead - if you want to write a hole essay - go ahead - and if you can t explain well - then post links of which you think they might explain it well (go ahead) because it is an important topic - but if you don t want to argue or share your opinion - then don t- then just don t at all - because just being rude doesn t help at all

and in not even one of my comment you will find the argument or opinion that this manga needs sex - so stop going against something i didn t even say - i can t talk for others - but that s not my responsibility either

again i joined a discussion i found very interesting and yes i m allowed to do so - if you don t want to talk to me - just don t- but you don t have to be rude and then wonder that i don t lick your feet and say thank you

and instead of having a very interesting discussion about a very interesting and important topic you and another person go on and on about that i said something to you - which i didn t- and keep saying things that aren t actually important to the original topic.

and if i remember right ( i ll check later) i answered a person who wrote AFTER you - so yeah - and why do you have the right to start or stop a conversation again?

if you read my comments right - you ll also see that i never said "it s gay so it can t be homophobic" but well - keep going i m oficially out of this conversation now - because it s sadly about who said what - instead of the original topic which was and is very interesting.

Ouch, well that was rude. That seriously hurt my feelings, actually. I guess this means we're all rude. Yaaaaaay!
I apologize because I thought you were talking to me at one point and apparently I was incorrect. At several points I thought that you put in my username but apparently you didn't so I apologize. I wasn't saying it was bad to restart a topic, so just like you are accusing me, I accuse you of putting words in my mouth. I also don't expect you to lick my feet. That would be gross.
I didn't say that you said it was not homophobic because it's gay. I said that is a common answer.
I'm sorry if I offended you, but you offended me. Personally, I think we're even. If you don't, oh well. Feel free to insult me until you feel better if that's what it takes.
I especially apologize to the OP. My half-serious comment was taken too seriously and I started an argument.

I'll throw in my own apology. I just felt personally affected by one of the comments. This kind of topic always messes me up since it's about sexuality and that's a topic that's really sensitive and important for me. I didn't even follow my own advice, I ended up arguing about something else.

hahaha ok i really wanted to stop commenting but your comment made me laugh xD

anyway - i didn t intend to hurt your feelings - i hope that was a joke from your part again - but if not then im sorry for that

yeah we're all rude - rude high five?

true - you didn t say that it was bad to restart a topic - but i ve been "attacked" for that the whole time - that was seriously annoying (because...yeah well i said it already enough - i joined an interesting topic xD)

oh boy - i really can t lick your feet now? darn after the last answer i d be ok with that hahaha (JOKING)

i can t check now - but i thought the "it s gay so i can t be homophobe" was related to my first comment - so i felt attacked - if i got that wrong then i m sorry

all in one - i m sorry for being rude in the first place it was unnecessary

maybe they don't like the bed scenes! :)

oh wow i read all of this. And i want also say something on this, so i can understand what they ment to say here and i don't think they want to attack you or be rude to you because what you answers or feel like 'i'm attack because i like this shit'' they want just to say they're opinion about yaoi... i read a lot of yaoi and yes there also a lot of story's that i thought about "wtf is this shit"" letterly drop this shit" or like "wow this is totally not what i want to read cause is too heavy fore me to handle ".

So and yes i think shounen-ai ai is refreshing,cute too and it's more like the real-life (time) (what i meant to say is that it is close to the real world) + i also like to read more shounen ai (also because it's not so like rape or abusive seks abusive relationship betweem a couple).

So maybe they want to say that that is the main problem in the yaoi world. If i think right now yeah they are kind of right what they're saying cause some(alot)are too much and the bed scenes also too much so i skip those alot! and i can tell also the difference between real-life and fiction.


so i'm not so that in manga all of those spycho shit have to happen and i say about yeah i support it because it's just "manga" no i don't do that! scum is scum fore me even in manga or realife i don't support them yes sometimes i had it whit yaoi's just maybe because i can't like it because it's wrong in many sentence i don't now!

for example: there is a lot rape and abusive scenes (the most like it here what i read on the (most) comments on yaoi's! (there a lot of them)), i can't like it i hate it to the core that's not acceptable and i can't even like it on the ''manga'' world ok i now it's just fiction but no i can't understand that why would i like it and accepted that in the fiction world bur in the real world i can't accepted that? that's the thing i can't understand i think it's the same or you like it or you don't, there is no distinction betweem the two?

but this is my opinion ( i had a friend who was letterly raped and i can tell you here life is fucked up she hates her self, she hates guy's everywhere she walks by, she hate's to be alone she hates if you want to touch her, she hates it if you even ask about what was like, or you want to say "if i was in your position i did that or that" so..no i still can't understand that! and if somebody says to her "i like rape scenes in the fiction world" but in the
"real world i hate it" before you even said that sentence to her; she kicked you out of her sight, even before you said i hate it in the real world.

help me understand why in the manga world is ok those behavior? and why not in the real world?



ow guy's don't hate me right now fore my opinion! i also respect yours so please be gentle haaha :)

but indeed it is so that the yaoi scenes on the story they like eventually the seks scenes alot, maybe that's way people like it? :)

but indeed all the type's of seks scenes in yaoi the uke love it! that's the twisted thing of all:p

I read KS and yes, I support ur OTP so much

to make it short - because it s a manga - it s not a real person with real feelings - so it doesn t matter - like i personally have no problem with sangwoo in killing stalking - but yes i would hate a person like him in real life and hope for a person like him in real life to go to jail (or better get hit by a bus) in real life - because in real life they destroy whole life with behavors like that - rape in real life can destroy a person completely and that is not ok - rape in yaoi doesn t hurt for real - those characters are only fiction - not real - it s all about fantasies and yes maybe really about fetish - not real - like i hope that everybody understands that the relationship that work in yaois wouldn t be healthy or good working relationships in real life. but well-like i said for me it is ok when a manga is sick or strange or different - but i m also ok with loveydovey cute - it can have sex scene or not - it can have rape scenes - or not

i m ok when mangas have nothing to do with reality and i m ok with things in mangas which i would never support in real life - because - in real life all those things can really be harmfull

Yeah I agree with how yaoi is constantly fetishised. I am a gay man and I have some strong opinions lol. In many yaoi stories there are a lot of stereotypes that just aren't true for most gays. An example someone else brought up was the uke and seme situation. I myself am a bottom (ya Ik you didn't ask but who cares) but there have been lots of times when a partner of mine tops but doesn't have that stereotypical seme personality. Honestly I prefer shounen ai stories, or any yaoi manga without the sex. The story is so much more wholesome if it's not being read as porn by minors or anyone else. Someone could argue that with me, but if they think what I described isn't accurate, would they actually read the same story, but without the sex if they're truly here for the story? I personally don't think they would. I have many opinions regarding there treatment of gays and how they're portrayed in manga. Honestly no matter how far it seems we've come with gay rights, we're no where near equality. I grew up hiding who I was, I have even been prejudiced for being myself. I know many who can't express who they are, and that goes far beyond the realm of gay rights. In manga the bullying some characters receive isn't entirely inaccurate. But regardless, gay people in yaoi are very fetishised which I don't agree with. I saw a comment further down the chain saying something like how they like rape yaoi but don't condone it in real life. That is fetishizing! Yes rape is wrong but some partners do sexual scenes with each other where consensual rape is involved, or rather rape play. And that my friend is a fetish. And yes rape is in yaoi, so yes, yaoi is fetishised.

This is why I get so mad. Because people always say that characters in manga are not real. That's true. But gay men are real. It's true that research shows that rape fantasy has no correlation with psychological pathology. But someone's fapping fantasies in their own heads versus media portrayals are not the same thing. Research shows that media exposure in both children and adults affect their level of aggression and presence or lacking of respect for people, especially members of minority groups. The amount of violent porn men watch, whether it's cartoon or not, correlates positively with their likelihood to be aggressive or violent with their partners. Women are no exception. Portraying gay men in these ways in media has negative consequences on real gay people. That's why it pisses me off when people say it's just a fantasy and they are not liable for media portrayals that are harmful to understanding, respecting, and equal treatment for gay men and women. They are ultimately saying that their fantasies trump human rights. They don't like to think of it that way, and they will pretend it isn't true, but their actions and their words betray their true feelings on the matter. Media trends affect biases about groups of people. We might wish we were immune to such biases, but we are not. Science finds time and time again that we are, whether we like it or not.

*Science finds, time and time again, that we are SUSCEPTIBLE, whether we like it or not.

Yeei! Thanks

As someone currently taking a global human rights course at university, this comment made me laugh so hard.

I am a gay person and Yaoi has helped me so you seem narrow minded and ignorant. "They" are people who just don't agree with your opinion, that doesn't make you correct and them wrong. I have also talked with many gay people who read Yaoi because it is helpful to them. You seem to not get it.